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Thread: Redskins sign Garcon
03-14-2012 11:31 AM #31
03-14-2012 11:43 AM #32
We've targeted two guys in Garcon and Morgan who just needed right opportunities to shine. Garcon was behind Reggie Wayne a lot, yet was still really productive. He was productive last year without Peyton Manning. Morgan was killing it last year through the first 5 games before injuries.
Fresh starts for both of them and a change of scenery could make a huge difference. Wouldn't be surprised if either one ends up with over 1,000 yards.
03-14-2012 11:59 AM #33
If they sign Royal, I can't see Moss coming back. If hankerson is healthy ( he just had surgery and will miss some OTAs) then I don't see the need for gaffney. They really like him though so it's tough to say he'll be gone.
Losing Moss will make me sad, but it'll also be fun to watch Griffin grow with 5 young WR.
03-14-2012 12:00 PM #34
The problem isn't Moss, it's AA (who I think was played out of position a bit as the deep guy, he's got better size than that), Austin (who looks like a great slot WR if given the time) and Hankerson. The NFL is littered with players that are not given a chance with one team and go to another to be a pro bowl player. I think the 3 of them are well worth the time to invest and develop, and I'm not impressed enough with Royal to pay him and take him over those guys.
03-14-2012 12:47 PM #35
03-14-2012 01:36 PM #36
03-15-2012 04:55 PM #37
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Looks like Royal to the Chargers.
Former Broncos WR Eddie Royal undergoing a physical in San Diego, former Eagles/Giants WR Steve Smith undergoing physical in St. Louis.
03-15-2012 05:03 PM #38
03-17-2012 07:40 PM #39
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Bill Barnwell at Grantland is not a fan:
And so the Redskins found it in their hearts to give Pierre Garcon a five-year, $42.5 million contract with $21.5 million in guaranteed money. This is the same Pierre Garcon who has caught just over 53 percent of the passes thrown to him over the past three seasons despite having Peyton Manning at quarterback for two of those three years. The other Colts wide receivers caught just under 64 percent of the passes thrown to them over that time frame. And while a low catch rate is fine if you're a deep threat or a demon after the catch, Garcon's averaged 13.6 yards per catch over that span, which is almost exactly league average. Jabar Gaffney has averaged more yards per catch over the past three years than Pierre Garcon. Is he a downfield threat?
However, he did like the Morgan signing:
On the other hand, the Redskins made a perfectly rational, reasonable decision to buy low on Josh Morgan, who broke his leg after five games and missed most of San Francisco's 2011 season. Morgan's statistics aren't all that impressive, and he's not regarded as a burner, but he's spent the past three years playing with Alex Smith in a conservative offense. It's also worth noting that he's averaged 13.0 yards per catch over those three seasons, virtually identical to Garcon's figure. The Redskins only paid $7.5 million in guaranteed money for Morgan on a five-year, $12 million contract that will void after two years (for cap purposes, the Skins will spread the signing bonus hit over five years, but it's essentially a two-year deal). Washington may find that Morgan's actually the better player of the two.
03-17-2012 11:17 PM #40
03-18-2012 09:38 PM #41
Interesting stat on Gar?on:
Breaking down the WR deals
Pierre Garcon, Washington Redskins
Garcon is coming off of what may be his best season as a pro, as he set career highs in receptions (70) and receiving yards (947). He also posted a solid 8.2 yards per attempt (YPA) total despite having to play with the Colts' revolving door of mediocre backup quarterbacks.
That sounds like quite an achievement at first glance, but it really doesn't accurately explain just how lucky Garcon was last year. He benefited from three very fortunate plays (detailed here) that ended up accounting for 213 yards and three touchdowns. Take those plays out of Garcon's numbers and his YPA drops to a mediocre 6.9 rate.
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On Garcon's 87-yard touchdown pass in the Monday night game against Tampa Bay, he was the recipient of a very bad tackling angle by Aqib Talib. The play could have been held to about a 20-yard gain if not for that error.
Later in that same contest, Garcon posted a 59-yard touchdown on a screen pass in which he benefited from two blatant blocks in the back. Had either of those penalties been called, Garcon wouldn't have reached the end zone.
In the game against the Chiefs, Garcon racked up a 67-yard touchdown because Kansas City cornerback Brandon Flowers inexplicably left him uncovered.
Take those plays out of Painter's and Garcon's figures and their fantasy totals come crashing back down to earth. Since these types of plays can't be counted on to occur with regularity, it means the odds that these two will return to their high-scoring form seems rather low.
03-18-2012 09:56 PM #42
11-03-2013 04:45 PM #43
I loved Garcon when he played for the Colts, although his erratic play would sometimes drive me up a wall.
In my rat's ass of an opinion, he has become more consistently good since the Redskins acquired him as a free agent before the start of the 2012 season. He makes A LOT of amazing catches. Today, he had 6 catches for 155 yards, and a few of those catches were really tough. On one play, he he was interfered with and caught the ball anyway. In overtime, he caught a pass on 1st down and 20 yards to go (due to a Redskins holding penalty on the previous play) in between 2 defenders. Extremely clutch, because the Redskins had been backed up to the Chargers' 43-yardline from that holding penalty.
This may have been the best catch of his career, although he has had so many of them, you could probably point to a few others, also:
Here is one from just last week against the Broncos: