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04-04-2012 04:47 PM #196
We're also forgetting the fundamental principles this country was founded only -- namely a decentralized gov't. That's why we have states. If we took away the Electoral College and basically made it every vote for itself, it would slightly take away some states' rights.
04-04-2012 05:26 PM #197
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Back to the farmers since they are a group the pro-electoral college people seem to be concerned with...
Top 10 agricultural states as of 2004:
California (by far)
7 of those states voted for Obama in 2008.
If we want to be concerned with farmers and rural people, we should be focusing on all of them, meaning from a mixture of states, some red, some blue, and some swing states. Not just the states where lots of those types of people live, but don't have a strong population from cities to overwhelm them, or if they do, many of the city folk are conservative (Texas).
04-04-2012 06:36 PM #198
Farmers was just an example. I'm more concerned with the residents of the smaller states be they farmers, doctors, accountants, whatever. Without an electoral college they don't have a say.
04-04-2012 08:57 PM #199
All votes would be equal. In winner take all states any votes above 50 % + 1 are essentially meaningless.
Also... The swing states change from cycle to cycle... If your argument is diversity... Few states are more diverse than California and its not a swing state.
04-04-2012 09:24 PM #200
04-04-2012 09:45 PM #201
To answer SG's initial question (sorry, I haven't read the whole thread), yes, I believe their should be.
I'm in favor of voters answering some basic questions on how the government works and what the candidates policies are in order to have their vote count. Some said earlier that they doubt the people who can't name the VP aren't the ones voting, I don't believe that to be true at all. You won't have to look far to find evidence of people voting for candidates just because of one reason or another.
Bill Maher had Alexandra Pelosi go to rural Mississippi and asked people why they vote the way they do. On the flip side of the coin, next week she went to NYC to see how people from the inner city vote the way they do. I won't link to them here because it'll probably send this thread off the deep end, but you should take a look. A quick google search will help you find both of them.
Now both videos are hack jobs on a few levels, but it doesn't take away from the fact that ignorant people still have their ignorant reasons for voting. I'm sorry for being un politically correct and probably stepping on a few toes and offending people, but it makes me sick that people like this have a vote.
04-04-2012 10:07 PM #202
Oh...and when I say diverse, I don't mean race, religion, etc...I mean politically speaking.
04-04-2012 10:09 PM #203
I remember Howard Stern conducting interviews for those in favor of Obama and he would ask them, are you glad Palin is running with Obama and they would be like, yea she is great, etc....
That is just awful.
04-04-2012 10:25 PM #204
Now I don't care if people vote for Obama if they really like his views and know what his policies are. I don't care if people are going to vote for whoever the Repbulican candidate is, as long as they understand what that candidates policies are.
Ignorance has no place in the voting booth. If someone from the inner city wants to vote for Obama because Obama's black, fine. If that really sets their soul on fire and inspires them, great. However if they really want their vote to count, then they should be so inspired to inform themselves on Obama's policies and have a basic understanding of the country's history and how our government works. Fair trade-off and they come away from the experience a little more informed.
04-04-2012 10:34 PM #205
Also, it's tough to say that those "gotcha" segments on TV and radio that make people look like idiots are representative of anything, other than a handful of stupid, ditsy people.
04-04-2012 10:42 PM #206
Those gotcha segments are exactly that...gotcha segments on a handful of stupid, ditsy people. The question is, how many of those people are really out there.
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04-04-2012 11:09 PM #210
It doesn't have to be a partisan conversation. I definitely lean to the right but I'm absolutely embarrassed by some peoples reasons for voting for the same people that I do.