Simon claimed by the Reds

[osfan83]

He did seem to have a quick hook at times last year, which is odd, because when he arrived here in 2010 he made a big point of saying he expected the starters to go deeper in games. Then again, when a guy has been shelled for a few innings it really doesn't matter how many pitches he's thrown.

I disagree. The over use of our bullpen has been an ongoing problem. If our starter has given up 7 runs in the 4th inning and has a pitch count of 80, why not leave him out there to throw 110 pitches? I'd rather lose 10-2 and use one less reliever, than lose 7-2 and burn and arm or two saving those 3 meaningless runs.

[BaltimoreTerp]

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I disagree. The over use of our bullpen has been an ongoing problem. If our starter has given up 7 runs in the 4th inning and has a pitch count of 80, why not leave him out there to throw 110 pitches? I'd rather lose 10-2 and use one less reliever, than lose 7-2 and burn and arm or two saving those 3 meaningless runs.

Because the worry is that it doesn't end up 10-2, but 15-2 or 23-2. I don't disagree with the idea, but I feel like that's the rationale for making a move.

[NewMarketSean]

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I disagree. The over use of our bullpen has been an ongoing problem. If our starter has given up 7 runs in the 4th inning and has a pitch count of 80, why not leave him out there to throw 110 pitches? I'd rather lose 10-2 and use one less reliever, than lose 7-2 and burn and arm or two saving those 3 meaningless runs.

I agree. I'd like the Orioles to use a "lost cause" mentality in blowout losses to preserve arms in games that are winnable.

I doubt the Orioles would ever try out this strategy though.

[El Gordo]

Why would you think that? We got rid of the only starter who could go 5 innings.

Why do you keep up with this crap? Britton went 5+ IP 14 times, Arrieta 12, Hunter 9, Simon 7 ,Bergesen 4 with a CG, and even Matusz did it once.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Why do you keep up with this crap? Britton went 5+ IP 14 times, Arrieta 12, Hunter 9, Simon 7 ,Bergesen 4 with a CG, and even Matusz did it once.

When you have an agenda, facts don't matter.

[dan-O]

Welcome to the NL?

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...36151&c_id=mlb

[Frobby]

Bump -- Alfredo Simon has done a nice job for the Reds, pitching to a 2.43 ERA in a long/middle relief role. He has pitched 2+ innings 12 times, including 4 outings longer than 2 innings. That would have fit our needs pretty nicely. I have to say, I would not have expected a 2.43 ERA from him.

[Tony-OH]

Bump -- Alfredo Simon has done a nice job for the Reds, pitching to a 2.43 ERA in a long/middle relief role. He has pitched 2+ innings 12 times, including 4 outings longer than 2 innings. That would have fit our needs pretty nicely. I have to say, I would not have expected a 2.43 ERA from him.

He would have been much better for this team than Kevin Gregg. He fit the role of the long reliever that we needed. Glad to see Simon do well. He was a mis-step by Duquette.

[Brendan25]

I was surprised when we let him go. I really liked Simon. Glad he is doing well.

[ShaneDawg85]

I've still no sense of loss in letting Simon go. He's a dime a dozen reliever that drove people batty because too often he couldn't find the plate, and those issues don't tend to go away for most players. We already have at least one of those guys, the only difference is we paid him millions of dollars to drive us crazy.

[ScottP]

He would have been much better for this team than Kevin Gregg. He fit the role of the long reliever that we needed. Glad to see Simon do well. He was a mis-step by Duquette.

Mis-step would be a great nickname for Gregg; much better than Bulldog. Nice that Simon's doing well.

[Slappy]

Good for Simon, but I still think he gets shelled in the AL.

[riprulz8]

Good for Simon, but I still think he gets shelled in the AL.

My thoughts exactly. Pitching to a 2.43 ERA playing the majority of your games against the NL Central does NOT translate automatically to a solid ERA in the Al East.

[ShaneDawg85]

BTW, his WHIP is 1.402, and his BB/9 rate is 3.5. I think it's highly likely those numbers would be worse if he were still here, and before yesterday's game, his WHIP wasn't that much better than everyone's favorite punching bag Kevin Gregg. Again, Kevin Gregg sucks, and it sucks having to pay him the money were are, but lets not make it sound like some slam dunk case that Simon is, or would do better if he were still here. If he were better, or Buck/Dan had reason to believe as such, he never would have been let go.

[DrungoHazewood]

I think dumping Simon was defensible given the other members of the staff when he was let go. Especially since we're fairly sure Angelos wouldn't sign off on releasing Gregg.

While Simon's ERA is surprising for the Reds, I'm still surprised by the performances of 3/4ths of the Orioles pen. It's not like they released Simon, and otherwise he'd be the best reliever on the team (as would be the case in many recent years).