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04-06-2012 09:39 PM #1
Second Guessing the Bullpen Usage
It's as much a past time as baseball itself. And I'm strating early in 2012.
I understand Arrieta coming out of the game. First game, he stretched himself out to complete 7 innings.
But why take Lindstrom out after the 8th? He was loose. He wasn't tired. There was a 4 run lead. Why not send him out there in the 9th? Then go right to Jim Johnson if he gets in trouble. To me, the risk the next pitcher won't have his stuff is to great. And Patton didn't have his stuff.
So Buck essentially had to warm up and tire 3 relievers instead of just 1 or 2 (if Lindstrom got into trouble).
Yeah yeah yeah, there were a bunch of lefties coming up. So what? With a 4 run lead, playing lefty righty match-ups is just silly. Its more important to keep the arms rested.
That is all from me tonight.
04-06-2012 09:52 PM #2Aberdeen
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I was hoping Jake would get the complete game a la Sutcliffe 20 years ago. Would have been fantastic and fitting. I agree with you though. It was like Mike Hargrove was back in the dugout today.
04-06-2012 09:54 PM #3Moderator Hangout Staff
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Plus, the Twins' two best hitters-- who happen to be left-handed-- were coming up. Makes sense to bring in the lefty. A 4-0 lead is pretty safe, but not insurmountable.
04-06-2012 10:01 PM #4Aberdeen
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Lefty situation pitching... Patton just didn't have it today...
04-06-2012 10:01 PM #5
That's the problem with the way this bullpen is constructed. Most of these guys can't go multiple innings.
04-06-2012 10:18 PM #6
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04-06-2012 10:55 PM #7
04-06-2012 11:34 PM #8
That's like saying our starters last year can throw complete games when Guthrie did it a few times and Bergesen did it once.
The reliever who, by far, had the most 2 or 2+ inning appearances last year is now our closer. He had 18 such appearances while the other 6 combined for 16. This bullpen is not made up of guys who can consistently and effectively go multiple innings--especially with JJ as closer.
04-06-2012 11:34 PM #9
I don't have a problem with Patton being there in the ninth except he stayed too long. It was obvious he was off when he walked the first batter. He did well to come back and get the next guy. Buck saw what Willingham hits vs lefties and decided to leave him in because until he hits the HR it's not a save opportunity for JJ.
Problem is, with the way Patton was throwing, (all over) he left a change up in the zone and Willingham crushed it.
Also, for those of you who watched the game, Johnson sure was squeezed for a couple of those pitches on the guy he walked. For that matter, so was Jake earlier. Not the best strike zone back there today.
Last edited by socalbirdfan; 04-06-2012 at 11:41 PM.
04-06-2012 11:37 PM #10
Jake was definitely squeezed on the Carroll walk.
04-07-2012 01:05 AM #11
Seems Buck is a very much by the numbers kind of guy. I thought it was obvious Patton didn't have his best stuff today and just because its not technically a save situation, why wait for it to get there?
04-07-2012 01:12 AM #12
Buck doesn't believe in the save rule, only the win rule! Except for when he believes the opposite, of course!
04-07-2012 01:13 AM #13
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04-07-2012 02:36 AM #15
he should have come out in favor of JJ. No reason to take a chance there when he doesn't have his best stuff. As we saw, even though Willingham has bad numbers vs lefties, he still crushes mistakes by them.