Guns 'n' Roses

[pinkfloydrayford]

The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Induction ceremony is this Saturday, and G 'n R's attendance/participation is still up in the air. I ask you, good people of the hangout, Will they? Won't they? And do we even care anymore?

[Can_of_corn]

I will be gratified if they acknowledge their unworthiness by declining to attend.

(good enough band but not enough longevity for them to be in over so many other worthy bands)

[clapdiddy]

I will be gratified if they acknowledge their unworthiness by declining to attend.

(good enough band but not enough longevity for them to be in over so many other worthy bands)

I agree with this. Love their first three albums and even the "Lies" EP, but they just don't have the catalog of a Hall of Fame band.

[crissfan172]

I will be gratified if they acknowledge their unworthiness by declining to attend.

(good enough band but not enough longevity for them to be in over so many other worthy bands)

Just curious, but do you think Cream should be in?

For the record, I don't think Guns 'n' Roses is in anywhere near the same class as Cream, but if longevity is what should keep out them, shouldn't it have kept out Cream too?

[pinkfloydrayford]

Good points on both sides. I liken it to Joe Namath being in the Hall. What he lacks in stats and longevity, he more than made up for in cultural impact and historical signifigance. I think The Sex Pistols handled it the right way. They were inducted and refused on grounds that it represented everything they were railing against in the first place. As for Cream, they belong for cultural impact, historical impact, and musical chops alone. They were the first power trio, and the first supergroup, of any real renown, and "Badge" is one of the greatest songs of all time. Personally the only thing about them that occasionally annoyed me was Jack Bruce's voice. While a great bassist, he always sounded a little too lounge-singerish for a blues based rock combo. The only reason I even care is I just wanna see the classic line-up lace 'em up one more time. I imagine we'll be having this same debate when Nirvana's number comes up.

[ShaneDawg85]

Not to get into the argument of who is better, but if longevity is a criteria for being in the Hall, you need to kick some acts already in the Hall out, and let a whole lot of people in. I feel they should be in, for the record, but I don't care if they play, and really don't care if they show up seeing as how I won't even be watching the ceremony or know where to find it.

[Can_of_corn]

Just curious, but do you think Cream should be in?

For the record, I don't think Guns 'n' Roses is in anywhere near the same class as Cream, but if longevity is what should keep out them, shouldn't it have kept out Cream too?

I wouldn't kick them out but I think other bands should have been put in there before them.

[pinkfloydrayford]

As I'm sitting here in a Cheap Trick T-shirt, I'm willing to admit it's all a sham. And don't even get me started about Rush...

[Can_of_corn]

As I'm sitting here in a Cheap Trick T-shirt, I'm willing to admit it's all a sham. And don't even get me started about Rush...

I am sure Crissfan would love to hear your take on Rush and the R&R HoF.

[pinkfloydrayford]

I am sure Crissfan would love to hear your take on Rush and the R&R HoF.

Well, Geddy's balls are in the Negro Leagues Hall Of Fame, which, to me anyway, is a much greater achievement.

[crissfan172]

I am sure Crissfan would love to hear your take on Rush and the R&R HoF.

Nah...I'm good.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Axl declines induction:

To: The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, Guns N' Roses Fans and Whom It May Concern,

When the nominations for the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame were first announced I had mixed emotions but, in an effort to be positive, wanting to make the most of things for the fans and with their enthusiasm, I was honored, excited and hoped that somehow this would be a good thing. Of course I realized as things stood, if Guns N' Roses were to be inducted it'd be somewhat of a complicated or awkward situation.

Since then we've listened to fans, talked with members of the board of the Hall Of Fame, communicated with and read various public comments and jabs from former members of Guns N' Roses, had discussions with the president of the Hall Of Fame, read various press (some legit, some contrived) and read other artists' comments weighing in publicly on Guns and the Hall with their thoughts.

Under the circumstances I feel we've been polite, courteous, and open to an amicable solution in our efforts to work something out. Taking into consideration the history of Guns N' Roses, those who plan to attend along with those the Hall for reasons of their own, have chosen to include in "our" induction (that for the record are decisions I don't agree with, support or feel the Hall has any right to make), and how (albeit no easy task) those involved with the Hall have handled things... no offense meant to anyone but the Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony doesn't appear to be somewhere I'm actually wanted or respected.

For the record, I would not begrudge anyone from Guns their accomplishments or recognition for such. Neither I or anyone in my camp has made any requests or demands of the Hall Of Fame. It's their show not mine.

That said, I won't be attending The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction 2012 Ceremony and I respectfully decline my induction as a member of Guns N' Roses to the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

I strongly request that I not be inducted in absentia and please know that no one is authorized nor may anyone be permitted to accept any induction for me or speak on my behalf. Neither former members, label representatives nor the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame should imply whether directly, indirectly or by omission that I am included in any purported induction of "Guns N' Roses".

This decision is personal. This letter is to help clarify things from my and my camp's perspective. Neither is meant to offend, attack or condemn. Though unfortunately I'm sure there will be those who take offense (God knows how long I'll have to contend with the fallout), I certainly don't intend to disappoint anyone, especially the fans, with this decision. Since the announcement of the nomination we've actively sought out a solution to what, with all things considered, appears to be a no win, at least for me, "damned if I do, damned if I don't" scenario all the way around.

In regard to a reunion of any kind of either the Appetite or Illusion lineups, I've publicly made myself more than clear. Nothing's changed.

The only reason, at this point, under the circumstances, in my opinion whether under the guise of "for the fans" or whatever justification of the moment, for anyone to continue to ask, suggest or demand a reunion are misguided attempts to distract from our efforts with our current lineup of myself, Dizzy Reed, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Chris Pitman, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal and DJ Ashba.

Izzy came out with us a few times back in '06 and I invited him to join us at our LA Forum show last year. Steven was at our show at the Hard Rock, later in '06 in Las Vegas, where I invited him to our after-party and was rewarded with his subsequent interviews filled with reunion lies. Lesson learned. Duff joined us in 2010 and again in '11 along with his band, Loaded, opening in Seattle and Vancouver. For me, with the exception of Izzy or Duff joining us on stage if they were so inclined somewhere in the future for a song or two, that's enough.

There's a seemingly endless amount of revisionism and fantasies out there for the sake of self-promotion and business opportunities masking the actual realities. Until every single one of those generating from or originating with the earlier lineups has been brought out in the light, there isn't room to consider a conversation let alone a reunion.

Maybe if it were you it'd be different. Maybe you'd do it for this reason or that. Peace, whatever. I love our band now. We're there for each other when the going get's rough. We love our fans and work to give them every ounce of energy and heart we can.

So let sleeping dogs lie or lying dogs sleep or whatever. Time to move on. People get divorced. Life doesn't owe you your own personal happy ending especially at another's, or in this case several others', expense.

But hey if ya gotta then maybe we can get the "no show, grandstanding, publicity stunt, disrespectful, he doesn't care about the fans" crap out of the way as quickly as we can and let's move on. No one's taking the ball and going home. Don't get it twisted. For more than a decade and a half we've endured the double standards, the greed of this industry and the ever present seemingly limitless supply of wannabes and unscrupulous, irresponsible media types. Not to imply anything in this particular circumstance, but from my perspective in regard to both the Hall and a reunion, the ball's never been in our court.

In closing, regardless of this decision and as hard to believe or as ironic as it may seem, I'd like to sincerely thank the board for their nomination and their votes for Guns' induction. More importantly I'd like to thank the fans for being there over the years, making any success we've had possible and for enjoying and supporting Guns N' Roses music.

I wish the Hall a great show, congratulations to all the other artists being inducted and to our fans we look forward to seeing you on tour!!

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

P.S. RIP Armand, Long Live ABC III

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[pinkfloydrayford]

I'd be lying if I said I didn't see something like that coming. if you divorce yourself from "Appetite" and "Illusion", "Chinese Democracy" ain't that bad, the current line-up does sound damn good live, and being a 'Mats fan since jr. high, I think it's way cool that Tommy Stinson is finally making some coin. Still, it woulda been interesting. Stay classy, Axl. Way to make it all about you.

[scOtt]

The Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Induction ceremony is this Saturday, and G 'n R's attendance/participation is still up in the air. I ask you, good people of the hangout, Will they? Won't they? And do we even care anymore?

Lou Brutus says they won't. Axl says no. Meanwhile Slash has his own hit climbing the charts.

[scOtt]

Just curious, but do you think Cream should be in?

ABSO-F-ing-LUTELY!!!!!!!!! Three unique talents. I'm assuming Eric is already in... but Cream was (the rare instance of) so much more than "Eric and his band". MUCH more than the sum of their parts.


On the longevity point... Look at Disraeli Gears. It's like Pearl Jam 10. Just so many incredible songs! Same with that gray album I can't remember the name of. Just a full-on onslaught of jams! Just one right after another. Like Grand Funk's Red album.