O's recall Berken

[srock]

Otherwise you're going with a 24-man roster and, what, 13 pitchers? We're back to 19th-century benches. A utility guy, and a backup catcher. Seriously, if you have a 12-inning game or a bad collision between two players you'll have a pitcher playing left field.

"Replacable parts"

We got these relievers just sitting out there in the bullpen not doing anything. Lets have them pinch run or play some late inning defense! Hell why not have last night starter coach a base? Save Wayne Kirby's shirt from his beer belly!

[Frobby]

Good move IMO. We really don't need the extra bat for the short time Andino will be out.

[OFFNY]

Notable exception, you can't recall a player within 10 days of his being sent down. So if we bring Berken up for two games and send him back down when Andino returns, he can not be brought back up for 10 days, IIRC.

Maybe ....... just maybe ........ instead of sending Berken back down to AAA-Norfolk when Andino comes back, Duquette will think, "You know what ??? I think that we'll keep Berken up here, and just DFA Kevin Gregg."

Naaaaaaah. Couldn't be. We're still the Orioles.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Notable exception, you can't recall a player within 10 days of his being sent down. So if we bring Berken up for two games and send him back down when Andino returns, he can not be brought back up for 10 days. IIRC.

No exception on the baby leave rule?

[NCRaven]

No exception on the baby leave rule?

Good question. I believe there is an exception for emergencies, just not sure if this falls under that category.

[NCRaven]

Maybe ....... just maybe ........ instead of sending Berken back down to AAA-Norfolk when Andino comes back, Duquette will think, "You know what ??? I think that we'll keep Berken up here, and just DFA Kevin Gregg."

Naaaaaaah. Couldn't be. We're still the Orioles.

I don't disagree, I was simply trying to respond to another posters question about how it works when you reassign a player to the minors and later want to bring him back up. I agree that in a perfect world, trading Berken for Gregg in the pen would be a positive move for the O's. In the real world, the O's are paying Gregg a lot of money and want to get some value out of that. I'm sure at some point, Duquette will decide that we've reach the point where there is no further value to be gained. After all, Gregg isn't a DD acquisition and it's no pain for him to go to ownership and say Andy made a big mistake, "oh, well," and cut him loose. Not sure if 17 games into the season is enough for him to say that they made a real effort.

[TGO]

Good question. I believe there is an exception for emergencies, just not sure if this falls under that category.

The emergency applies to bringing the player back. So if, for example, a reliever got hurt after Berken went down, they could bring him back.

[El Gordo]

With JJ sick we're down to 6 RP. If you consider Gregg, that makes it more like 5.1 RP. Of course bring up Berken. We don't need the extra bat. I have often thought that one way to get more parity, would be to allow roster size to increase in proportion to the previous season's W/L record. So the O's could have 28 men and the Stros could have 30........

[OFFNY]

I don't disagree, I was simply trying to respond to another posters question about how it works when you reassign a player to the minors and later want to bring him back up. I agree that in a perfect world, trading Berken for Gregg in the pen would be a positive move for the O's. In the real world, the O's are paying Gregg a lot of money and want to get some value out of that. I'm sure at some point, Duquette will decide that we've reach the point where there is no further value to be gained. After all, Gregg isn't a DD acquisition and it's no pain for him to go to ownership and say Andy made a big mistake, "oh, well," and cut him loose. Not sure if 17 games into the season is enough for him to say that they made a real effort.

If it were just the 17 games into this season, I would agree. But 1 year and 17 games is plenty to send him on his way. Last year alone would have been plenty. His last 2 outings have made it abundantly clear what needs to be done, and what probably should have already been done.

[DrungoHazewood]

"Replacable parts"

We got these relievers just sitting out there in the bullpen not doing anything. Lets have them pinch run or play some late inning defense!

Hey, if it worked in the embryonic majors of the 1880s, why not today? Almost everyone played multiple positions back then. Guy Hecker won a batting title in a year where he pitched 420 innings and played 39 games at 1B/OF. Buck Ewing is in the Hall as a catcher, but he played 30+ games at every position but pitcher. That's what you had to do when you literally only had 3-4 substitutes including pitchers, and there was no such thing as a minor league affiliate.

I hate short benches, I'm from the Earl Weaver school, but it might be kind of cool if there are so many pitchers on the roster that your last couple of relievers have to play the field sometimes.

[Can_of_corn]

Good move IMO. We really don't need the extra bat for the short time Andino will be out.

And if Nolan can't play and Jones tweaks a hammy? They going to lose the DH?

[luismatos4prez]

And if Nolan can't play and Jones tweaks a hammy? They going to lose the DH?

That's pretty unlikely, but I suppose they could put Chavez in center and Flaherty in left for the remainder of the game. Put Betemit at 2nd and Reynolds at 3rd. Have Johnson DH. Call Jai Miller up for the next 15 days. We'll have a spot on the 40 open once Wada goes on the 60 day DL.

[CA-ORIOLE]

And if Nolan can't play and Jones tweaks a hammy? They going to lose the DH?

If Nolan can't play tonight I think we're almost forced to have Johnson DH and hold one of Betemit/Reynolds/Davis in reserve.

[oriole]

Berken will be great to have around if Matusz craps the bed again and needs to be taken out in the fourth inning.

[OFFNY]

Berken will be great to have around if Matusz craps the bed again and needs to be taken out in the fourth inning.

If our defense doesn't crap the bed again while Matusz is on the mound, then it would be really good to have Berken around ....... then he could step in and pitch if any of our other 4 starters gets shelled, too.