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    O's 2013 Payroll

    O's 2013 salaries

    1) 15m Markakis
    2) 10m Roberts
    3) 8.5m Jones
    4) 7m Hardy
    5) 6.75m Hammel
    6) 6.5m J Johnson
    7) 5.5m Wieters
    8) 4.07m Wada (starts the year on the DL)
    9) 3.572m Chen
    10) 3.3m Davis
    11) 2.2m O'Day
    12) 2m McLouth
    13) 1.82m Hunter
    14) 1.75M Betemit
    15) 1.7m Casilla
    16) 1.6m Matusz
    17) 1m Ayala
    18) 1m Reimold
    19) .815m Patton
    20) .7m Pearce (starts in the minor but is paid major league salary)
    21) .65m Teagarden
    22) .55m Valencia (projected)
    23) .5m Strop (projected)
    24) .5m Gonzo (projected
    25) .5m Tillman (projected)
    26) .48m Bundy (starts the year in the minors but is signed to a major league contract)
    27) .48m Machado (projected)
    28) .16m S Johnson (In the majors for the 1st two months for Wada; Could be any of the O's young pitchers.)

    Total 88.597m without Jurrjens

    29) 1.5m Jurrjens (starts on the DL or at AAA)

    Total 90.097m with Jurrjens

    EDIT: Adjusted to remove Bundy's prorated signing bonus
    Last edited by wildcard; 02-10-2013 at 08:01 AM.


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    Seems like they have some room for a late signing / trade

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard View Post

    Total 89.362m without Jurrjens

    29) 1.5m Jurrjens (starts on the DL or at AAA)

    Total 90.862m with Jurrjens
    Jim Duquette was on radio yesterday and he said that Jurrjens knee is basically bone on bone and that signing was a complete headscratcher. I wouldn't be penciling him in for anything just yet. He made it sound like he was a long shot at best to even play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradeAngelos View Post
    Jim Duquette was on radio yesterday and he said that Jurrjens knee is basically bone on bone and that signing was a complete headscratcher. I wouldn't be penciling him in for anything just yet. He made it sound like he was a long shot at best to even play.
    Taking whatever Duq XM says seriously, makes me scratch my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradeAngelos View Post
    Jim Duquette was on radio yesterday and he said that Jurrjens knee is basically bone on bone and that signing was a complete headscratcher. I wouldn't be penciling him in for anything just yet. He made it sound like he was a long shot at best to even play.
    This guy signed for $1.5 million. (The one and only Garret Atkins signed for 3X that!). Kind of like scratching your head after your Walmart Sunday best suit unravels.

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    Wow, sure would be nice to get Roberts out of there...

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    Well... he didn't invest like he said we would... but at least he didn't cut. 90$M is a pretty respectable payroll. Can win with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcard View Post
    O's 2013 salaries

    1) 15m Markakis
    2) 10m Roberts
    3) 8.5m Jones
    4) 7m Hardy
    5) 6.75m Hammel
    6) 6.5m J Johnson
    7) 5.5m Wieters
    8) 4.07m Wada (starts the year on the DL)
    9) 3.572m Chen
    10) 3.3m Davis
    11) 2.2m O'Day
    12) 2m McLouth
    13) 1.82m Hunter
    14) 1.75M Betemit
    15) 1.7m Casilla
    16) 1.6m Matusz
    17) 1.245m Bundy (starts year in minors)
    18) 1m Ayala
    19) 1m Reimold
    20) .815m Patton
    21) .7m Pearce (starts in the minor but is paid major league salary)
    22) .65m Teagarden
    23) .55m Valencia (projected)
    24) .5m Strop (projected)
    25) .5m Gonzo (projected
    26) .5m Tillman (projected)
    27) .48m Machado (projected)
    28) .16m S Johnson (In the majors for the 1st two months for Wada; Could be any of the O?s young pitchers.)

    Total 89.362m without Jurrjens

    29) 1.5m Jurrjens (starts on the DL or at AAA)

    Total 90.862m with Jurrjens
    Nitpicking, but isn't bundy going to be making league minimum? Isn't the number you used include the prorated signing bonus?

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    Reimold could very well be the most valuable player of the year in terms of salary/production. It would not surprise me in the least if we get a .300 25 HR 80 RBI 10 SB season out of him.

    Of course, it would not surprise me if he was injured most of the year or had a mediocre year b/c of battling with injuries either.

    Here is hoping for the former!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewW View Post
    Nitpicking, but isn't bundy going to be making league minimum? Isn't the number you used include the prorated signing bonus?
    You are correct. He is signed to a 5 year agreement that will pay the minimum. I will make the adjustment to the OP. Thanks.

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    I think we also owe Vlad $2MM this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notyourbuddy View Post
    Well... he didn't invest like he said we would... but at least he didn't cut. 90$M is a pretty respectable payroll. Can win with that.
    Angelos after the playoffs:
    "Especially for the Orioles, which we all know is an institution in Maryland," Angelos said. "And for a long period of time, as you gentlemen and ladies have stressed frequently, there was a long, long arid period. I hope this will be the case, this year, that we mean business. And in the future you can depend on this kind of a performance and hopefully much better."
    What he forgot to add was "so long as it doesn't cost more than about $95M dollar".

    $90M is "pretty respectable". $90M places us right around the middle of spending according to last years payrolls. Does anyone believe we couldn't afford to spent $15M more? $20M more? To become even more "respectable" and further increase our chances of winning?

    I do believe we have a nice core of players, but to expect the success of last year without making any major improvements is a bit of a reach. We had to have a one game playoff to get into the playoffs, otherwise we would have "only" had our first winning season in 14 seasons. Now we played a good ballgame and beat Texas to get in...but such success is far from guaranteed this year.

    If the O's come out and don't play winning baseball, a lot of people are then going to start thinking "man, I wish we would have spent some money to get some more talent".

    It is so clear that Buck and Duq have a ceiling they can't go past, even though for a minute Angelos seemed like he cared enough about winning again to remove that ceiling. Now it just seems like same old same old. If we hadn't won last year this offseason would look pretty much like the previous ones. The fact that we won in 2012 gives people warm and fuzzies, despite the team doing nothing to improve, and merely relying on the players we have to increase their output.

    I expect that Angelos will merely pocket the extra $$ he is going to see from a rejuvenated O's fan base. Of course how long that rejuvenation lasts depends on how the O's do. If they start off flat people will quickly forget about the magical 2012 season, especially since the Ravens just won the SB. This is why not making any move to add any type of known productive player is so frustrating to me. It is so clear Angelos doesn't want to spend money. I hope I am proven wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor McCheese View Post
    I think we also owe Vlad $2MM this season.
    Cots Contracts says:

    $3M of salary deferred without interest, paid 2016-17

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    Not exactly the 100m they were supposed to be at after the arb. cases. So Swisher and Saunders would have had the payroll around 109m? Doesn't seem to unreasonable to have expected. Oh well. Still a week until pitchers and catchers report. Plenty of time to improve the team.

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    I once believed that signing big name free agents was the answer. I no longer believe it. Let me ask those who are critical of this offseason - who should we have signed? An over-priced Greinke? A huge question mark in Hamilton? Maybe we should have traded for Justin Upton. Would you have given up Machado or Bundy? We have a good team with lots of upside. We're focused on building a solid farm system. We can't veer off course by trading our top prospects or significantly over paying for free agents - especially if we have to give up draft picks. Sure, Toronto's moves are intriguing, but they seriously hurt their farm system and are 2 injuries away (Johnson and Reyes) from being crippled for a long time. I'll take our $90M+ payroll and our focus on building the farm system every day and twice on Sundays. Have faith - if a reasonable move was to be made, it would have happened. Let's hope for huge years from Britton, Arrieta, Matusz, Gonzalez, etc. so other teams truly value them and we can have some legit trade bait.

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