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10-09-2013 08:36 AM #1
2013 GTP: Matt Wieters
Matt Wieters put up a career low 0.4 WAR this year with his first negative dWAR of his career dragging down another mediocre year with the bat. Still, runners attempted a career low 68 base stealing attempts and he cut down 24 (35%).
10-09-2013 09:03 AM #2
C. As in charitable.
10-09-2013 09:46 AM #3
Hugely disappointing year for Matt with the bat. Let's be honest, he has just not progressed as a hitter. His bat speed looks as slow as when he came up. He's a freakishly big guy who just doesn't seem strong enough to me. It is striking to me. He needs to hang out with Chris Davis and Brady this offseason.
His defense is still good and his handling of the pitchers is top notch, if we are to believe Buck, and I do.
10-09-2013 10:32 AM #4
His OBP was disappointing, he may have been suffering from shift-induced BABIP decline. But he's as durable as any catcher in baseball, controls the running game, and has the confidence of the coaching and pitching staffs.
I give him a C. His performance was acceptable but he wasn't actively pushing the team forward. He's not a big problem, but we hope he bounces back next year.
10-09-2013 10:33 AM #5
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, Man I'd hate to see how bad our pitching would be if his "handling" wasn't top notch. Maybe we would lead the majors in HR's allowed... uh wait we did
Maybe we would be in the bottom third in ERA... oops we are.
Maybe we would be 24th out of 30 in BAA... yep I guess that's us.
Maybe his pitch framing is getting us alot of extra strikes and strikeouts... Ugh we finished 26th out of 30 in strike outs.
Well at least he is a plus hitter
Last edited by weams; 10-09-2013 at 11:05 AM. Reason: Wanted to reply. Whoops.
10-09-2013 11:00 AM #6
10-09-2013 01:12 PM #7
He gets a D from me. Quite frankly, I don't care about the homers that he somehow compiles over the course of the summer. By and large, he's an automatic out for most of the season.
This has nothing to do with his draft status and the hype that he had coming into the majors based off his minor league production, by the way. It has everything to do with the fact that his OBP this year was .289.
10-09-2013 01:20 PM #8
I think that coaching and handling of pitchers probably has some limited impact, but when a team is 10th or 13th or whatever in RA9 or walk rate it's almost all on the players.
I also don't like the passive-aggressive way webbrick says things like "maybe there isn't any Brian Roberts curse" or this Wieters post where he at least implies causation (and repeats this over and over and over) but when pressed admits there probably nothing there. It's getting mad about losing, geting lazy, and blaming it on things that you know aren't real.
10-09-2013 01:52 PM #9
Half the battle for any catcher is working with pitchers and guarding the base paths -- catchers who can consistently hit well with power over time are rare enough that they are all in the Hall of Fame. That said, based on why he was picked where he was drafted was on his ability to hit as well as catch.
He may not be the next Johnny Bench, but he is still one of the better catchers in baseball. And Buck was right, the Yankees and/or other teams will line up to pay him (at least more than the O's) because good catchers don't grow on trees. I gave him a 'B' overall, if I grade simply against expectation, I would have gone with the 'C' as well.
10-09-2013 01:53 PM #10Plus Member All-Star
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I gave him a D. After being stellar with the running game from April to about June, he started giving up a ton of steals and his release seemed noticeably slower. With that combined with his terrible year offensively I can't justify going higher than this.
10-09-2013 02:10 PM #11
10-09-2013 02:17 PM #12
10-09-2013 02:30 PM #13
I appreciate the defense, durability, and home runs Matt gave the team, but I still voted D because he's capable of so much better. That OBP is flat out unacceptable as a ML starter and so were some of his insanely dumb/stubborn pitch calls. I lost count of how many times he sped up the opposing bat.
He was also injured for much of the year, so that might have something to do with it. But if you're not going to disclose any injury, you're going to get graded poorly.
Last edited by dan-O; 10-09-2013 at 02:33 PM.
10-09-2013 02:50 PM #14
10-09-2013 02:53 PM #15
His post seemed to me to just be a rehash of the old "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you" argument. Just because you're crappy at something with Wieters doesn't mean you can't get worse without him.
All that being said, I wouldn't go out of my way to resign him.