Report: Phillies offered Howard, Byrd to Orioles

http://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/656587

FYI:

Howard = $25M in 2015, $25M in 2016, Team option for $23M in 2017 with $10M buyout

Byrd = $8M 2015, Team option for $8M in 2016

I think if the Orioles were to accept this offer it would be for a low level prospect OR a higher level prospect but with the Phillies eating all the cash.

I would guess that they wanted Chris Davis.

I would guess that they wanted Chris Davis.

Why would a rebuilding team want one year of Davis?

30 mil a year for a replacement level player

I hope the O's aren't that stupid.

Probably discussed an exchange of salary dumps where we ship them Ubaldo and some nothing prospect and on top of that Philly eats money.

Why would a rebuilding team want one year of Davis?

Because they really really really don't want Ryan Howard, and Davis would give them a MLB-ready stopgap.

30 mil a year for a replacement level player

I hope the O's aren't that stupid.

If gotten for cheap, they both would definitely help the Orioles. The question has always been, how cheap?

Why would a rebuilding team want one year of Davis?

Because a rebulding team doesn't need Ryan Howards wasting space? Hence them basically giving Byrd away just to rid themselves of Howard. Atleast Davis has a shot to rebound and net them a draft pick if he does. No one is giving them anything of value if they are expected to take Howard too.

Because a rebulding team doesn't need Ryan Howards wasting space? Hence them basically giving Byrd away just to rid themselves of Howard. Atleast Davis has a shot to rebound and net them a draft pick if he does. No one is giving them anything of value if they are expected to take Howard too.

Would you trade Davis for Byrd straight up? I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't do it for the opportunity to pay Howard $50M.

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Because they really really really don't want Ryan Howard, and Davis would give them a MLB-ready stopgap.

Because a rebulding team doesn't need Ryan Howards wasting space? Hence them basically giving Byrd away just to rid themselves of Howard. Atleast Davis has a shot to rebound and net them a draft pick if he does. No one is giving them anything of value if they are expected to take Howard too.

I understand why they want to get rid of Howard but why would they want Davis on a 1/11 or so contract? Why wouldn't they want an actual prospect? I think the bust factor is too high on Davis to be able to bank on flipping him or offering him a QO at this point. He repeats his 2014 campaign and they are stuck.

Im not sure anyting could really get me to want Howard at this point in their career. .294, .319, .310 on base the last 3 years and .423, .465, .380 slugging the last 3 years for Howard. Not to mention the 30 mil he gets per year. I predict that he is barely a plus OWAR player over the next 2 years and not to mention, the guy isn't a good defender. DAVID LOUGH out-slugged Howardlast year (.385)

Byrd has proven over the past 2 years that he can still hit and I think he could be good here. Also has the possibility of just hitting a wall due to age. Is it worth trading something of value to get Byrd, not really sure. I would lean on the side that trading for Byrd isnt worth it, but who knows. I'm not big on players 37 years old post steriod era, but that doesnt mean he can't put up good numbers.

Would you trade Davis for Byrd straight up? I wouldn't. And I certainly wouldn't do it for the opportunity to pay Howard $50M.

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No I wouldn't. Im not sure I even want Byrd period. The only guy I really want from the Phillies is Cole Hamels. Maybe Byrd and Utley I may consider.

I understand why they want to get rid of Howard but why would they want Davis on a 1/11 or so contract? Why wouldn't they want an actual prospect? I think the bust factor is too high on Davis to be able to bank on flipping him or offering him a QO at this point. He repeats his 2014 campaign and they are stuck.

Im not sure they are rebuilding. I see them trying to pull a Boston Red Sox. Try to dump their really bad deals on another team, eat a bad year, then spend again on a quick fix in 2016. A mark isn't smart enough to rebuild.

Im not sure they are rebuilding. I see them trying to pull a Boston Red Sox. Try to dump their really bad deals on another team, eat a bad year, then spend again on a quick fix in 2016. A mark isn't smart enough to rebuild.

I disagree.

No way they can rebuild on the fly and catch the Nats.

I am pretty sure ownership has finally accepted this fact.

I disagree.

No way they can rebuild on the fly and catch the Nats.

I am pretty sure ownership has finally accepted this fact.

Then they should have fired Amaro and paid what it took to get Friedman.