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Here is where we stand in April since Showalter came on board:

2011: 4.47-22nd in the league

2012: 3.03-5th

2013: 3.84-13th

2014: 4.64-26th

2015: 4.78-27th

I found this on baseball-reference.com, but I don't know how to separate starters ERA from relievers. It just seems to me as though we come out of the gate slow with starting pitching.

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Is this the part where I say I don't like:

How O's starters don't seem to be as stretched out as the starters for other teams

How Buck hides his starters from the rest of the AL East, possibly impeding their development by having them face inferior opposition?

I think its the part where I say. Buck wins a lot of games and makes the playoffs half the time.

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Is this the part where I say I don't like:

How O's starters don't seem to be as stretched out as the starters for other teams

How Buck hides his starters from the rest of the AL East, possibly impeding their development by having them face inferior opposition?

I absolutely love Buck, but this seems to be true. We seem to come out in April averaging 5 innings or less per start.

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I think its the part where I say. Buck wins a lot of games and makes the playoffs half the time.

Buck makes the playoffs half the time?

I thought it was 23.5% of the time.

For his career, he it would be 31.25% of the time for the 16 full seasons that he has managed a team ...... including the 1994 season in which the Yankees had the best record in the American League, but the season was strike-shortened. If you give him credit for the playoffs for that season, then it is 5 out of 16 seasons (31.25% of the time.)

For his time with the Orioles, it would be 40% of the time (2 out of 5) in full seasons that he has managed them (2011-2015.)

Either way, Weams gave him too much credit in terms of percentages by saying that he makes the playoffs half the time.

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For his career, he it would be 31.25% of the time for the 16 full seasons that he has managed a team ...... including the 1994 season in which the Yankees had the best record in the American League, but the season was strike-shortened. If you give him credit for the playoffs for that season, then it is 5 out of 16 seasons (31.25% of the time.)

For his time with the Orioles, it would be 40% of the time (2 out of 5) in full seasons that he has managed them (2011-2015.)

Either way, Weams gave him too much credit in terms of percentages by saying that he makes the playoffs half the time.

So you want to give him credit for a season in which he didn't make the playoffs and simultaneously not count a year in which he managed but the team didn't make the playoffs?

Seems arbitrary.

I'm a simple guy, he has managed during 17 seasons, his teams have reached the playoffs four times.

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I still say 2 in 6.

If he had taken over mid-season and the team had made the playoffs would you count it?

No, Not. And August is not half way. And the team won under him. So we could extrapolate the numbers if you wish to do it that way.

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I think its the part where I say. Buck wins a lot of games and makes the playoffs half the time.

Buck makes the playoffs half the time?

I thought it was 23.5% of the time.

For his career, he it would be 31.25% of the time for the 16 full seasons that he has managed a team ...... including the 1994 season in which the Yankees had the best record in the American League, but the season was strike-shortened. If you give him credit for the playoffs for that season, then it is 5 out of 16 seasons (31.25% of the time.)

For his time with the Orioles, it would be 40% of the time (2 out of 5) in full seasons that he has managed them (2011-2015.)

Either way, Weams gave him too much credit in terms of percentages by saying that he makes the playoffs half the time.

So you want to give him credit for a season in which he didn't make the playoffs and simultaneously not count a year in which he managed but the team didn't make the playoffs?

Seems arbitrary.

I'm a simple guy, he has managed during 17 seasons, his teams have reached the playoffs four times.

Nobody made the playoffs that year. Your stating that they did not make the playoffs is misleading. The Yankees having the best record in the American League 2/3 of the way into the season does not seem particularly arbitrary, but your assertion that they did not make the playoffs and counting that is absurd.

If you didn't not count that 1994 season, then it would be 26.67 % of the time, or 4 out of 15, instead of 5 out of 16.

And yes, I am not counting the season in which Showalter inherited a team with a record of 32-73, and finished the season with that same team at 34-26. That is not arbitrary whatsoever, unless you were going out of your way to undermine him.

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No, Not. And August is not half way. And the team won under him. So we could extrapolate the numbers if you wish to do it that way.

In 54 games his team was 34 23. A .593 Winning percentage. Or 96 wins. Playoffs baby.

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No, Not. And August is not half way. And the team won under him. So we could extrapolate the numbers if you wish to do it that way.

Well if you say you wouldn't count a 2010 playoff appearance than we can call it 40%.

I think the overwhelming majority of O's fans would credit that appearance to Buck.

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Nobody made the playoffs that year. Your stating that they did not make the playoffs is misleading. The Yankees having the best record in the American League 2/3 of the way into the season does not seem all that arbitrary.

If you didn't not count that 1994 season, then it would be 26.67 % of the time, or 4 out of 15, instead of 5 out of 16.

And yes, I am not counting the season in which Showalter inherited a team with a record of 47-77, and finished the season with that same team at 34-26. That is not arbitrary whatsoever, unless you were going out of your way to undermine him.

It was 34-23. I think maybe you missed some Samuel numbers.

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Well if you say you wouldn't count a 2010 playoff appearance than we can call it 40%.

I think the overwhelming majority of O's fans would credit that appearance to Buck.

Right. I would agree. I forgot 2011. Except for the last game.

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