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    Windsor outpitched Loewen

    Watched both pitchers until they were taken out.

    Windsor threw strikes, got ahead of hitters and had a nice change-up.

    Outside of the error, he was much better than Loewen. Even with the error, he was still better than Loewen.

    Loewen look awkward and rattled at times. I thought after he hit Swisher for the second time he would self-destruct. Thank god he didn't. But it was the same old Loewen. Balls, balls, balls.

    I just don't understand why our pitchers have such a hard time throwing strikes.

    It kills me and frustrates me to no end. We've replaced Cabrera with another guy who can't throw strikes. Now I think Loewen will improve, but only time will tell.

    I would feel a lot more confident if Loewen changed lines with Windsor though. That guy is going to be OK.


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    All I can say to this post is that you never cease to amaze me with your insightful analysis.

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    Is there a point to your post?

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    It was pretty much a wash. Windsor showed a little better command, Loewen showed a little better ability to dominate -- very few balls hit hard off him.

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    I think Loewen will be a quicker study than Cabrera. He just had trouble locating his fastball tonight. The fact that he throws 3 pitches with confidence will ramp him up much faster. It's just a matter of him gaining experience and locating his fastball. Looked like he dabbled with a bit of a cutter tonight, too. Maybe he's been chatting w/ #45...

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    Check the boxscore: Loewen pitched a one hitter.

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    Windsor got lucky in that he was able to get a couple of key DP's and when the O's were hitting the ball hard, which was somewhat often, it was right at someone.

    Loewen clearly had the better stuff.

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    Just think it's funny how a pitcher making his MLB debut outpitched a former first round pick who already made 6 MLB starts, got sent down, looked AMAZING, is back with the team -- and is showing no improvement.

    I'm just frustrated is all. I really wanted to see Loewen come out and impress and he looked the same as his last 5 starts. All O's players look the same. They never seem to get any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cider Jim
    Check the boxscore: Loewen pitched a one hitter.
    Loewen also walked twice as many batters as Windsor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMarketSean
    Just think it's funny how a pitcher making his MLB debut outpitched a former first round pick who already made 6 MLB starts, got sent down, looked AMAZING, is back with the team -- and is showing no improvement.

    I'm just frustrated is all. I really wanted to see Loewen come out and impress and he looked the same as his last 5 starts. All O's players look the same. They never seem to get any better.
    Is this for real? He's had six whole MLB starts and you demand instant success? This is an actual complaint?

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    The dude is 22 years old!!!

    We're not going to win right now with young pitching, but it is the right thing to do to get Adam Loewen big league experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMarketSean
    Loewen also walked twice as many batters as Windsor.
    He also left with the lead and kept the Orioles in the game.

    Lets give him more than one start back in the bigs when he's not simply trying too hard to impress before you start calling for his head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulFolk
    Is this for real? He's had six whole MLB starts and you demand instant success? This is an actual complaint?
    Yes this is for real. Other teams (like the A's and Windsor) seem to be able to pull a pitcher out of their system and plop him into the rotation with ease.

    We try and do it and it looks like we're a high school team asking the back up second baseman to make a spot start. The walks are to be expected in HS ball -- but not at the MLB level -- especially when Loewen has some experience to fall back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevadaO
    He also left with the lead and kept the Orioles in the game.

    Lets give him more than one start back in the bigs when he's not simply trying too hard to impress before you start calling for his head.
    I'm not calling for his head. Just voicing my frustration that we're still at point A with Cabrera and Loewen when they should be showing some improvement by now. Moreso with Cabrera and less with Loewen.

    But Adam didn't have trouble throwing strikes in AAA. He clearly has a problem doing it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewMarketSean
    Just think it's funny how a pitcher making his MLB debut outpitched a former first round pick who already made 6 MLB starts, got sent down, looked AMAZING, is back with the team -- and is showing no improvement.

    I'm just frustrated is all. I really wanted to see Loewen come out and impress and he looked the same as his last 5 starts. All O's players look the same. They never seem to get any better.
    Windsor is also 2 years older and worked his way through the A's system, Loewen is 22 with limited experience above AA. I am not sure Windsor even outpitched him, he had better control but he was more hittable.

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