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07-21-2006 07:56 PM #241Originally Posted by section34
Most things done down there are down half ass...There is no accountability...No one feels they can voice their opinion because they think they will get fired.
Little things take forever or are handled poorly.
This starts from the top and trickles down.
Employees, even at the small level i was on, are unhappy, overworked and underpaid.
It is a terrible organization and i am not sure it has gotten better, even though i havent been there in a few years.
It is a shame to because there are alot of people there who do know what they are doing and could be an asset but they are not allowed to be.
07-21-2006 07:58 PM #242Originally Posted by SilentJames
07-21-2006 08:05 PM #243Originally Posted by RZNJ
The flip side is, how many BONEHEAD moves has Angelos nixed that would have gone through otherwise?
A lot of the owners don't like Angelos personally - I remember it was said on here a little while ago that Angelos is a Democratic, Pro-Labor type of guy and that rubs alot of the very conservative base of owners the wrong way.
Is the FO run poorly - yeah I am not going to argue that but lets face it there are owners in the game that are just as bad, if not WORSE than Angelos, they just happen to be riding a wave of anionimity or winning right now.
Ask any Boston fan how they feel about the Sox ownership, ask any Mets fan how they feel about their ownership. Ask the Reds, Pirates, Diamondbacks, Dodgers etc. Your average Yankee fan hates Steinbrenner.
The difference is wins, if this team some how puts it together inspite of ther owner, apendicitis and bad sushi and strings togehter a very solid and promising second half a lot of this stuff will disappear - mark my words
07-21-2006 08:11 PM #244Originally Posted by SilentJames
Is that what you believe ?
Good owners do not micro-manage the people they hire. If Angelos gets involved in anything more than blessing the dollars on mega-deals- it isn't good. If he is nixing actual players in trades- then lets just cut out the middle man (Flanny) and have PA name himself GM.
07-21-2006 08:14 PM #245Originally Posted by SilentJames
I live in the NY/NJ area. Most Yankee fans are pretty happy with Steinbrenner as owner. Believe me, they wouldn't trade him for Angelos. The difference is not just wins. Do you hear the media constantly making fun of other organizations and how they are run? Do you think the liberal media is picking on the liberal Angelos also?
07-21-2006 08:15 PM #246Originally Posted by SilentJames
Look, if Angelos meddled his butt off and the Orioles WON, what right would we have to complain? This is about nine straight losing seasons. I don't care who gets the credit, I just want us not to suck anymore!
07-21-2006 08:16 PM #247Plus Member Since 06/06
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07-21-2006 08:16 PM #248Originally Posted by 66-70-83-??
Applause and props to you and RZNJ
07-21-2006 08:20 PM #249Originally Posted by bgfield
And that is true for many of us i am sure...Nonetheless, it is still pathetic.
07-21-2006 08:21 PM #250Board National League Analyst
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Or he should do the job himself.
What you've got now, where PGA is a de facto GM is not feasible. Other teams and agents get exasperated with having invested time and effort in negotiations only to have an agreed-to deal get vetoed or shoved to the back burner.
Whoever you choose to put on the front lines, has to have the authority to make decisions, and carry them out. Otherwise everyone's just wasting their time. IMO that's the perception that's formed -- picking up the phone and calling Baltimore is probably a waste of time. Clearly that's a perception that's bad for business.
07-21-2006 08:22 PM #251Originally Posted by Sports Guy
Show me an organization of any kind that is larger than a handful of people that is micro-managed by the top guy....and I will show you a place with bad morale. Responsibility equals Respect.
07-21-2006 08:23 PM #252Originally Posted by davearm
07-21-2006 09:04 PM #253
Originally Posted by 66-70-83-??
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However, didn't Angelos nix a deal that would have brought Scott Rolen here, and given him and extension?
07-21-2006 09:20 PM #254Originally Posted by Tony-OH
I base those remarks on your sources being correct. Although indirect reasoning lead a fair number of fans to these conclusions circa the time around the Mussina fiasco (I think a few people owe him a big apology). If they aren't true then Angelos keeps hiring incompetents to run his team. either way, Angelos needs to change.
07-21-2006 09:21 PM #255
So Tony -- how long did it take before they revoked your guys' press passes?