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[Witchy Chick]

No offense Skywalker.. but your comments contradict eachother... you now know the truth.. stop looking for someone to tell you want you want to hear.. mobilize to help exact some change...

I'm gonna get to some other comments in this thread in a lil' bit, but I couldn't let this pass.

Skywalker76 lives in Germany for crying out loud. He's an O's fan like the rest of us, but there really isn't a whole heckuva lot he can do to "mobilize to help exact some change" when he is half a world away.

/rant


Witchy

[TonySoprano]

"We are coming back strong next year. I know you have heard that tune before, but this time it will literally come true."

"We will make sure our fans can look forward to a very exciting season."

"And soon we'll get the fans back, because we'll make the necessary moves and acquisitions to compete favorably."

"We appreciate the fans' support [during the tough times], and we're going to demonstrate our appreciation by winning. "

[Fan4Life]

I'm gonna get to some other comments in this thread in a lil' bit, but I couldn't let this pass.

Skywalker76 lives in Germany for crying out loud. He's an O's fan like the rest of us, but there really isn't a whole heckuva lot he can do to "mobilize to help exact some change" when he is half a world away.

/rant


Witchy

he can support others to protest, he can help contribute to any fund he feels is a worthy cause that will help protest... you either don't have much imagination, or passion... when you want something bad enough.. you find a way...

[rolliefingers]

"We are coming back strong next year. I know you have heard that tune before, but this time it will literally come true."

"We will make sure our fans can look forward to a very exciting season."

"And soon we'll get the fans back, because we'll make the necessary moves and acquisitions to compete favorably."

"We appreciate the fans' support [during the tough times], and we're going to demonstrate our appreciation by winning. "

Well, if you told me you were drowning
I would not lend a hand
Ive seen your face before my friend
But I dont know if you know who I am
Well, I was there and I saw what you did
I saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off the grin, I know where youve been
Its all been a pack of lies!

Da duh, Da duh, Da duh, Da duh, Da duh...

[roadball]

There is an upside to this micro-management. It seems because trades are a problem, the management team has and is turning inward to building up the organization through draft choices, then free agent signings followed but trades if possible. A road maybe longer, but we will in time get there. This also gives time to build up relationships with the minor leaguers, instead of high priced, used rentals...our own people to win with.

[Tx Oriole]

Tony, have any of the previous owners of the O's been this bad of an owner?

[pdiddy]

Thanks for the information Tony.

It's a real shame that you and the other diehard O's fans around here have to put up with this nonsense.

FWIW, I do recall hearing that our guy Jim Hendry got extremely angry/frustrated with the O's FO during the Tejada/Prior talks last offseason, to the point where he had to walk away. I'd like to believe that Hendry wouldn't let that experience prevent him from dealing with the O's in the future (actually they did, on Patterson), but on some level it has to have an effect. If that same negativity is spreading around the league, that's not a good thing.

It'd be just as bad if the FO was getting a bad rep with agents who represent FA's the O's would want. There are rumblings of that too, stemming from the Burnitz ugliness.

All in all, an unfortunate situation.

If Angelos being overly cautious had anything to do with killing a deal for Prior then it was a GOOD thing!

I have a whole list of reasons for not liking Angelos but I've yet to be convinced that this is the causus belli it's being made out to be.

If the scenario was that the Jays were looking to deal Hillenbrand in a hurry before they worked out the rumored deal with the Angels and they gave us 3 hours to do it in, is anyone really all that upset it didn't get done?

What about a scenario where Lopez was going to be dealt for a middlin prospect earlier this month? Would we really have wanted to get rushed into that deal instead of potentially getting Burrell? I don't think so.

Again, if someone is pushing you to make a deal thisfast, there is probably a good reason to be cautious.

I'm willing to see if it was a good deal or not before I grab my torch and pitchfork (at least this time).

[Fan4Life]

If Angelos being overly cautious had anything to do with killing a deal for Prior then it was a GOOD thing!

I have a whole list of reasons for not liking Angelos but I've yet to be convinced that this is the causus belli it's being made out to be.

If the scenario was that the Jays were looking to deal Hillenbrand in a hurry before they worked out the rumored deal with the Angels and they gave us 3 hours to do it in, is anyone really all that upset it didn't get done?

What about a scenario where Lopez was going to be dealt for a middlin prospect earlier this month? Would we really have wanted to get rushed into that deal instead of potentially getting Burrell? I don't think so.

Again, if someone is pushing you to make a deal thisfast, there is probably a good reason to be cautious.

I'm willing to see if it was a good deal or not before I grab my torch and pitchfork (at least this time).

Those do seem to be reasonable comments.. but when our owner is the only one you hear about creating these kinds of problems, it gives you the impression that he acts differently than every other team and in most cases, adversely.

[NJOriolesFan]

If Angelos being overly cautious had anything to do with killing a deal for Prior then it was a GOOD thing!

I have a whole list of reasons for not liking Angelos but I've yet to be convinced that this is the causus belli it's being made out to be.

If the scenario was that the Jays were looking to deal Hillenbrand in a hurry before they worked out the rumored deal with the Angels and they gave us 3 hours to do it in, is anyone really all that upset it didn't get done?

What about a scenario where Lopez was going to be dealt for a middlin prospect earlier this month? Would we really have wanted to get rushed into that deal instead of potentially getting Burrell? I don't think so.

Again, if someone is pushing you to make a deal thisfast, there is probably a good reason to be cautious.

I'm willing to see if it was a good deal or not before I grab my torch and pitchfork (at least this time).

But Tony said they weren't vetoed just that Angelos didn't get around to approving them before they were pulled. They may have been offered a month ago and maybe he still hasn't gotten around to deciding or even looking at them.

[rp0806]

There is an upside to this micro-management. It seems because trades are a problem, the management team has and is turning inward to building up the organization through draft choices, then free agent signings followed but trades if possible. A road maybe longer, but we will in time get there. This also gives time to build up relationships with the minor leaguers, instead of high priced, used rentals...our own people to win with.

I think that's partly true, and the minor league system has made great strides in the last couple years. But it doesn't really solve the problem. First, it's almost impossible to compete using solely or evenly mostly homegrown players. Even teams that have had great systems over the last 5-10 years (A's, Braves, Yankees) have still made lots of trades and signed plenty of FAs (even the A's). Second, even if the farm system were enough, it's not like Angelos' meddling can't have an effect there. He can screw up negotiations, refuse to invest in foreign operations, etc.

[Sports Guy]

I have seen the man's work in progress...He is a terrible owner..Been telling you guys that for years now.

[frankpembleton]

If Angelos being overly cautious had anything to do with killing a deal for Prior then it was a GOOD thing!

I have a whole list of reasons for not liking Angelos but I've yet to be convinced that this is the causus belli it's being made out to be.

If the scenario was that the Jays were looking to deal Hillenbrand in a hurry before they worked out the rumored deal with the Angels and they gave us 3 hours to do it in, is anyone really all that upset it didn't get done?

What about a scenario where Lopez was going to be dealt for a middlin prospect earlier this month? Would we really have wanted to get rushed into that deal instead of potentially getting Burrell? I don't think so.

Again, if someone is pushing you to make a deal thisfast, there is probably a good reason to be cautious.

I'm willing to see if it was a good deal or not before I grab my torch and pitchfork (at least this time).

Good organizations let baseball men make the decisions. Period, end of story. I don't care if Angelos decisions were right or not, it is not good for the organization for him to be calling the shots with regards to players.

He was right once before in 1996 by holding on to Bobby Bo....look where that got us long term.

I would love to know if Peter has ever read Moneyball.

[StateFarmFSR]

Tony,

I just wanted to say thanks. I wil let everyone else chime in and say the same thing over and over...he sucks. Either we do something abut it, or we don't. Change will never happen without some action from somewhere, that I gurantee. I was about to get banned when I started reading this, but cooler heads and the fact that it is finally FRIDAY have prevailed.

D~

[bigbird]

And you guys wonder why most things Belkast, WB and myself report never really happen.

[Fan4Life]

And you guys wonder why most things Belkast, WB and myself report never really happen.

I think most of us knew.... and appreciate your efforts...