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07-21-2006 02:09 PM #106
By everything does it mean that even a trade of, for example, Hawkins, that Angelos' approval would be needed?
If so that is really sad.
07-21-2006 02:11 PM #107Originally Posted by RZNJ
07-21-2006 02:11 PM #108
Originally Posted by mikezpen
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07-21-2006 02:11 PM #109Originally Posted by TonySoprano
07-21-2006 02:12 PM #110
Thanks Tony for that report. Just sounds all so depressing. Even a good start by Bedard tonight won't make me feel better.
I think we (you guys in Maryland) should definatly do something about Angelos.
Tony, which direction do you think the franchise is taking? Do you think we have a chance to compete any time soon?
07-21-2006 02:12 PM #111Originally Posted by Flosman
07-21-2006 02:13 PM #112Originally Posted by shotgunschell
07-21-2006 02:14 PM #113Originally Posted by Skywalker76
07-21-2006 02:15 PM #114Originally Posted by shotgunschell
It doesn't make sense to say that he's just in it for the money.
He's in it for his ego, bottom line.
07-21-2006 02:15 PM #115Originally Posted by Skywalker76
07-21-2006 02:18 PM #116Originally Posted by Tony-OH
Would you mind writing up a little story for the main page? It might help clarify and avoid confusion.
Also, I emailed Roch Kubatko a link to this thread, but a brief item on the main page would be easier to direct people to.
I think that the sooner that people in the mainstream media get into this, the better. For some reason, there are a lot of respected national sports reporters who have covered the Orioles and would be interested in this story. I am thinking especially of Buster Olney, who, like Roch, runs a blog and definitely reads his email and feedback.
07-21-2006 02:21 PM #117Plus Member Since 04/04
Originally Posted by RZNJ
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The closest I think we got to specifically dealing with Angelos meddling was the very first thing we talked about, which was the Mora contract. This was right after the Peter Schmuck article that said "Mora's contract is sitting on Angelos' desk" came out. After the introductions, Mrs. Flanagan started the evening of by (somewhat sarcastically/jokingly in an ice-breaking sort of way) said "So Mike, why is Melvin's contract sitting on Peter's desk?" Flanny then explained that it wasn't actually sitting on Peter's desk, but it was with Mora's agent.
Looking back I wish I had planned a few things ahead of time that I wanted to talk about and written them down. It would have been interesting to hear about the Townsend deal, what was going on with Burnett last year, and a handful of other things. We ended up talking more about the current state of the team, various free agents and trades that didn't happen (mostly Konerko, Delgado, Vlad, Lee, and ARod) and then just general things about the job and team.
07-21-2006 02:24 PM #118Released
They have good, well-paying jobs. Angelos could get a lot of people to take their places.
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They have no leverage over Angelos.
As far as people needing the jobs and being unwilling to give them up -- above someone mentioned the rumor that Duquette might leave soon b/c he's fed up. I don't see any reason to doubt that rumor. I'm sure Duquette feels that he can get another job and is only willing to take so much from Angelos. Many people in the FO probably feel the same way. At some point pride and self-respect trumps the need for the paycheck.
07-21-2006 02:25 PM #119Originally Posted by FellsPointOsFan
07-21-2006 02:26 PM #120Board National League Analyst
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Thanks for the information Tony.
It's a real shame that you and the other diehard O's fans around here have to put up with this nonsense.
FWIW, I do recall hearing that our guy Jim Hendry got extremely angry/frustrated with the O's FO during the Tejada/Prior talks last offseason, to the point where he had to walk away. I'd like to believe that Hendry wouldn't let that experience prevent him from dealing with the O's in the future (actually they did, on Patterson), but on some level it has to have an effect. If that same negativity is spreading around the league, that's not a good thing.
It'd be just as bad if the FO was getting a bad rep with agents who represent FA's the O's would want. There are rumblings of that too, stemming from the Burnitz ugliness.
All in all, an unfortunate situation.