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09-21-2006 07:48 PM #106
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09-21-2006 07:54 PM #107
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Angelos' logic is stupid. Right now, we have a payroll of about $75 million. We do that with our average ticket cost of $22, and on average filling maybe 60% of the stadium.
Well, if we doubled the payroll, put together a winning team, we might actually start selling the stadium out and you'd be able to keep the same ticket prices. Not to mention any added revenue from MASN. This can be a winning team, Angelos just isn't capable of hiring the right people or allowing the right moves to be made.
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09-21-2006 07:56 PM #108
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What a lame excuse about the payroll. Could you imagine if he tried to use that argument for a client of his law firm? Angelos: "Do you know what it costs to hire top lawyers and compete with other top lawyers?" We could try to win this case for you but then we'd have to charge you a higher fee and that just wouldn't be fair."
Originally Posted by Birds of B'more
He sounds ridiculous. And he totally dismisses the fans who protested. At least Flanagan's comments about the protest recognized the passion of the fans who did it.
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09-21-2006 08:10 PM #109
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Originally Posted by SoBo
When the teams were good, I was on the season ticket list for 5 years before I got my shot. I lived 90 minutes away and only had Sundays off.
I bought the 13 game Sunday plan so that I could stay "in". If I could go I did,
If i couldn't I gave them to my employees or friends and they were always a welcome gift. The place was always packed, and the Flag court was always full. After the dark ages crept up, I found that I could no longer give my spares away, and that I could give up my spot in line and still get good tickets anytime I wanted. So I gave them up. If they had remained a precious commodity, I am sure I would have retained them.
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09-21-2006 08:11 PM #110
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Hahah. Angelos is either shaking in his boots or a blabbering idiot.
Twisted pointless logic.
The game was exciting. The rally was fun and great. The players acknowledged us and pointed (especially Miggy). I don't know where Flannagan got off saying we'd be disrespectable. We were far from it. I hope it does something, and even if it doesn't it allowed me to have fun at the ball park for the first time in quite awhile.
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09-21-2006 08:12 PM #111
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He Mentioned 1 Billion dollars
Originally Posted by Boca Bird
Seriously !!!! Enlighten us Pete, open the books!!!!
Better yet, if you keep losing so much money, sell the team.
That would be a rather grand ROI.
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09-21-2006 08:22 PM #112
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Man it was only 5 years ago that I couldn't wait to jump in with a friend that had a full season slate. Now I have several friends that work for the O's and I can get premium tix anytime I want them. And I've only been to 3 games this year. Now part of that is because I travel 4 days a week for work, but mostly because of the product on the field. Originally Posted by weams
I still remember being at the first playoff game at OPACY. Had horrible seats. But it's a day I will never forget. My Bro and I holding up a big Sportscenter Next sign, Bobby Bo's Grand Slam and O's fans on every single pitch! I just want that back. That's all...
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09-21-2006 08:25 PM #113
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That's what I want man....
Originally Posted by SoBo
And that's why I am still here whining...I have been an O's fan for life and I want to be proud again.
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09-21-2006 08:26 PM #114
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I just got back as well.
First off: While Nestor is an enormous...feminine hygiene product...I gotta say, he really pulled it off. He drew attention to a cause - about which few of us disagree, I'd wager - and did it without crassly promoting himself or his station. He's clearly gotten under the skin of Angelos (who comes off as more of an idiot every time he opens his mouth, impossible as that might seem), despite his protests that he doesn't care.
I did think the incessant cheering at the beginning of the game was a little disingenuous - your stated objective was to tell Angelos to selll the team, not cheer like it's a freaking World Series game. Where was that cheering the other 80 games of the year? I think they could have done better by just sticking to anti-Angelos cheers; the "Let's go Mora!" ones came off as kind of beside the point. Stay on message!
I did not participate in the protest, but I do think it did good. I just hope that the players don't think it was about them (although I do hope that many of them don't even sniff Camden Yards next year
It's not their fault they suck and we signed them!). It's about Angelos, and nothing else.
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09-21-2006 08:27 PM #115
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Preach it, brother. Originally Posted by SoBo
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09-21-2006 08:29 PM #116
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I feel your pain SoBo. I couldn't get any tickets for the 79 playoffs or series; in 83 I got to go to game 2 and saw a Mike Boddicker gem to even the series up. Even during those awful mid to late 80s teams, you never lost hope that things would turn around soon. Married with kids in the mid 90s, and I couldn't get to the playoffs. But with winning seasons in 92,93,94, 96 and 97, I knew Oriole Magic was back. How the hell could anyone have thought it would come to this? Originally Posted by SoBo
I miss those days, not for me, but for my son. He's never experienced the joy of going to a game in September while fighting for the pennant. In fact he doesn't even care about baseball. I wish he knew what he's missing.
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09-21-2006 08:32 PM #117
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The first major purchase I made in the fall of 1988 when I got out of college was a 13 game plan in the Terrace Box seats in Memorial Stadium. If you had told me then that by 2003 I would give up my season tickets because I could never find anyone interested in going to the game with me, I never would have believed it for a minute. But after eating so many tickets when I couldn't find someone to go with, or going to games alone, I gave it up in 2003.
Anyway, I was at the rally today and it was a lot of fun. Definitely more than 1000 folks wearing black in teh left field upper deck. We were chanting and yelling and doing O-R-I-O-L-E-S. I'd forgotten you co uld do things like that at a baseball game.
We left on schedule at 5:08...obviously it takes time to empty out seats so it took several minutes to empty out the section. We continued chanting all the way down the ramp, moving slowly as a herd. T here were camera crews from the local news set up across Camden Street so we flashed our signs from the side of the ramp at them.
When we got to the lower deck we found that we were slolwy forcing our group into the Section 79 concourse entrance to march around the lower concourse to Eutaw Street. We marched peacefully around the concourse, holding our signs and changint sell the team and other things. I want to say the ushers and police were all very respectful and did a good job...they didn't confront everybody, they just stood and let us slowly walk around the concourse, onto the flag court, down Eutaw Street and out the door. They were extremely respectful of the protestors and didn't try to stop our procession through the lower bowl even though that walking through some very high priced ticket sections that we obviously didn't have tickets to.
Yeah, I missed an exciting finish. But if not for the protest, I would have been listening to it in the office on the radio anyway. I'm certainly not going to use my vacation hours for a meaningless Detroit game on a Thursday afternoon in September if not to be part of what I was today.
It was a great crowd, spontaneous chants would start up of "Ed-die" or "Davey Johnson" or "Elrod Hendricks", along with O-R-I-O-L-E-S or cheering on hitters that were at bat, especially Melvin or Miggy.
I think we made a strong point. It may not amount to anything. But for me, it was great to remember what a baseball crowd could be like, with fans who cared and enjoyed the game.
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09-21-2006 08:38 PM #118
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See, that's what scares me! I grew up in the '80's where you got into fights with guys over who was better, Cal or Eddie. I always sided with Eddie. But it was really the 89 "why not" season when I was in 7th grade when I began to bleed orange and black. I mean our cafeteria had why not stuff all over it during September. My wife and I trying for our first. Which is a good time, btw. I already grew up without a football team. I don't want my son (I pray) to grow up with out a baseball team.. Originally Posted by GlennGulliver11
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09-21-2006 08:39 PM #119
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From PA's quotes, he seems to think it's all about the money. I don't know about the rest of you but my dissatisfaction goes deeper than that. He seems to think that the fans' major gripe is increasing the payroll. I thought it was about firing Jon Miller, running Davey Johnson & Pat Gillick out of town, having a revolving door of managers and GM's, hiring the wrong people to run the baseball operations, and thinking he could invent a new way to run a baseball team by hiring co-GM's. Not to mention, interfering too much in baseball decisions and being too slow to make decisions. A team with a 75 million dollar payroll should be a lot better than what we've had the last 9 years. I know I missed a bunch of things too!
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09-21-2006 08:40 PM #120
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Oligopolists (e.g. baseball owners) don't understand market forces. Originally Posted by Tony-OH
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