Possible Tejada scenario?

[El Gordo]

Absolutely. Bringing it back to Tejada, if you can acquire a Burrell and Ensberg (or equivalent offense) I think you have to make the move if you get Anaheim to add that 3rd player (prospect) to the mix.

I don't care how good the Yankees or Red Sox are if you build a dominant pitching staff you have a chance to compete. It's impossible (w/o an unlimited budget) to build a dominant pitching staff by acquiring guys who are already proven. Mazzone is the best pitching coach in the business, let's give him the absolute best talent possible and tell him to turn it into that dominant pitching staff. Give him Bedard, Cabrera, Loewen, Penn and Santana to work with and I'll take my chances.

ARod is traded to LAA so I never have to hear about Satana, Aybar, and Kotchman again. :SuN024:

[Fan4Life]

ARod is traded to LAA so I never have to hear about Satana, Aybar, and Kotchman again. :SuN024:

or AROD!!!

[Sports Guy]

or AROD!!!

Or Lee, Soriano, Zito or Mussina.

[El Gordo]

Well then you are ignoring the fact that Santana would have been our 2nd best starter this season.

If we had Santana next year he could easily be the ace of our staff next year, and for years to come.

That he will be better than Bedard next year why does LAA want to trade him? Are all their pitchers better than Bedard as well, and Santana just the least better. He's certainly not the most expensive. Could they know something we don't. Or maybe they just spend too much time watching him pitch and not enough time looking at his peripherals(pay no attention to that 5.95 ERA away, it's an anomaly).

[Fan4Life]

Or Lee, Soriano, Zito or Mussina.

We could field a pretty good team with all the guys we're going to stop talking about...

[geschinger]

That he will be better than Bedard next year why does LAA want to trade him? Are all their pitchers better than Bedard as well, and Santana just the least better. He's certainly not the most expensive. Could they know something we don't. Or maybe they just spend too much time watching him pitch and not enough time looking at his peripherals(pay no attention to that 5.95 ERA away, it's an anomaly).

They'll end up keeping him if nothing is worked out for ARod or Miggy and it'll go down as the greatest non-move they ever made.

[RZNJ]

I think BigBird's point - and I would agree - is that when you decide to trade a player like Miggy, you demand Lackey over Santana, Wood over Aybar, etc...

You're giving up one of the best hitters in the league with a very affordable contract, you AT LEAST get the best they have to offer at a position (best pitching prospect, best IF prospect).

No problem with asking for the best. Problem with being incapable of being creative and being able to work out a deal. IMO, the Angels just won't inlcude Wood in a deal, and it's doubtful they'd inlcude Lackey either. So you can demand all you want, but at the end of the day, that's all you are left with. Demands. Would you trade Bedard & Markakis for Tejada?

[BigSkip]

Absolutely. Bringing it back to Tejada, if you can acquire a Burrell and Ensberg (or equivalent offense) I think you have to make the move if you get Anaheim to add that 3rd player (prospect) to the mix.

I don't care how good the Yankees or Red Sox are if you build a dominant pitching staff you have a chance to compete. It's impossible (w/o an unlimited budget) to build a dominant pitching staff by acquiring guys who are already proven. Mazzone is the best pitching coach in the business, let's give him the absolute best talent possible and tell him to turn it into that dominant pitching staff. Give him Bedard, Cabrera, Loewen, Penn and Santana to work with and I'll take my chances.

Do you really think we can downgrade from Tejada to Ensberg or Burrell and even stand a chance?

If we played in the NL West where nobody hits, sure. But not in the AL, not at all.

[RZNJ]

Do you really think we can downgrade from Tejada to Ensberg or Burrell and even stand a chance?

If we played in the NL West where nobody hits, sure. But not in the AL, not at all.

What are we, and offensive juggernaut now? Tejada is excellent but he's not the offensive dynamo some are making him out to be. If you traded him and had solid average performers throught the lineup without our annual black holes, we'd have an offense that could compete with good pitching.

[Sports Guy]

Do you really think we can downgrade from Tejada to Ensberg or Burrell and even stand a chance?

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If you looked at from a DH point of view, ie taking position out of considersation, Burrell and Ensberg are very close or every bit the offensive player Tejada is.

You aren't paying attention to what gesch or I are saying...Improve the defense...Improve the bullpen and the depth...GEt another top of the rotation starter.

Get enough offensive help where we can still score 820-850 runs.

You can do all of this without Tejada.

[geschinger]

Do you really think we can downgrade from Tejada to Ensberg or Burrell and even stand a chance?

If we played in the NL West where nobody hits, sure. But not in the AL, not at all.

Have you compared their numbers offensively? Other than BA they are very similar if not a slight advantage to Burrell. Ensberg is certainly a step down from Tejada but certainly a big upgrade from what we got from 3b and Mora would be big improvement from what we got of LF. I'm curious, how exactly do you conclude that as being a downgrade?

[DrungoHazewood]

If you looked at from a DH point of view, ie taking position out of considersation, Burrell and Ensberg are very bit the offensive player Tejada is.

You aren't paying attention to what gesch or I are saying...Improve the defense...Improve the bullpen and the depth...GEt another top of the rotation starter.

Get enough offensive help where we can still score 820-850 runs.

You can do all of this without Tejada.

If you take away Tejada and replace him with a guy like Aybar you'd have to make up about 125-150 runs to get to 850. Plausible, but might be a stretch. For example, Soriano + Tex replacing the O's '06 LF and DH would probably net the team ~100 runs.

To win 90 games while scoring 825 you'd have to allow about 750, or about 150 fewer than this year.

Basically, to get to 90 wins without Tejada you have to come up with 275 runs somewhere, pitching, defense, and offense.

[markdublya]

Would you trade Bedard & Markakis for Tejada?

Aybar and Markakis are interchangeable in your opinion?

[RZNJ]

Aybar and Markakis are interchangeable in your opinion?

Nope. You said we should ask for Lackey & Wood. Lackey is probably rated ahead of Bedard based on back to back good seasons and proven durability. You could make a case that it's pretty close. Markakis & Wood are also close, IMO. Wood was/is the more highly rated prospect while Markakis has proven himself at the ML level. I'd call Lackey/Wood for Tejada virtually the same as asking for Bedard/Markakis. I don't think anyone here would go for that and I don't think there's anyway the Angels would go for the former. I think some of the demands for Tejada for the most part, are unreasonable to expect.

[Sports Guy]

If you take away Tejada and replace him with a guy like Aybar you'd have to make up about 125-150 runs to get to 850. Plausible, but might be a stretch. For example, Soriano + Tex replacing the O's '06 LF and DH would probably net the team ~100 runs.

To win 90 games while scoring 825 you'd have to allow about 750, or about 150 fewer than this year.

Basically, to get to 90 wins without Tejada you have to come up with 275 runs somewhere, pitching, defense, and offense.

Ensberg, Aybar, Kotchman and Burrell help get alot of the runs...Then, you hope for BRob to be back to where he was before his injury and Markakis to be that much better this year.

Hernandez is likely to be similar next year to this past year and i will say Mora is in the 750 OPS range, or about the same as this year but he could be better.

You felt this team would score 800 runs this year. The team i am talking about, with Cruz, Millar and a Valentin, a much better back up catcher would score more than this year's team.

Plus, the defense and pitching should be much better.

I still am not sure that it is enough but it is a better team for the future and doesn't have any bad long term contracts that could bog us down.

It still goes back to DCab, Loewen and maybe Penn.