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    I'm afraid I can't take Perlozzo anymore

    Let me preface with post with a little history. I have only called for the firing of one manager in the whole history of the Orioles and that was Ray Miller because he totally lost the clubhouse with his actions. I though Mazilli was doing an OK job. I didn't even call for Phil Regan's head though I thought he was pretty poor overall. What I'm trying to say is that in 30 years of watching the Orioles, I haven't been a manager hater so what I'm saying is unusual.

    SAM HAS TO GO. He simply is a very, very bad manager. He literally does almost nothing right during the game. I really almost can't take watching the Orioles at this point because of the stuff he does.

    Lets talk about tonight.

    The home plate umpire is terrible. I mean horrible. He is the definition of inconsistent. It hasn't been for any particular team. He is just terrible.

    In the first inning, after two runs had scored for the Orioles, the first pitch to Gibbons was called a strike despite being almost half a foot outside. OK, the manager should bark a little but stay put.

    In the bottom of the inning, Cabrera got rooked on at least 5 borderline pitches. Now, I'm not saying all of them should have been strikes, but at least a couple should have been called. This definitely contributed to the three walks. Again, he shouldn't have go out there, but he should definitely have been barking. Meanwhile, the ump has never yet looked at the Orioles dug-out which likely means nothing had been said at all.

    Fast forward to Payton on first with Patterson up. Perlozzo tells Patterson to sacrifice. As he is standing at the plate, the Detroit announcers say that the Orioles lead the AL in sacrifices with 10 which is more than the bottom several teams combined. This fails miserably when Patterson (who obviously wasn't too comfortable trying to bunt on a lefty throwing 3/4s) bunt into a force out.

    Fast forward a few minutes and Roberts gets called out stealing despite being safe. Roberts gets very upset and yells three times at the ump. Now, Roberts never ever acts out like that so he was obviously quite frustrated with the call. At this point, it was clear that most of the team was frustrated. Does Perlozzo get thrown out? Does he even get really upset? No, he just meekly talks to the umpire and then goes on back to the dug-out. He simply has to get thrown out there. He has too.

    That isn't even everything. He brings in Parrish to start the 6th. I'm ok with that. However, he then sends him back out for the 7th despite the fact that three of the first four hitters up are righties who have better success lifetime against lefties. When Parrish walks the first hitter and looks a little gassed, he lets him face Magglio who is only the reigning AL player of the week. Of course we know what happened next. Magglio doubles. He stills leaves him in to walk the next hitter before mercifully pulling him for Bradford (who is who I would have brought in in the 6th since he is a sinkerballer, the ground is very slow, and sinkerballers can work more innings than normal pitchers).

    Please don't say this is just one game. I could do this sort of analysis for almost every game we play. Heck, I haven't even addressed the fact that we brought up another starter from the minors to give us 8 guys in the pen for the next 10 days since we don't need a fifth starter until that point.

    He is just a terrible, terrible manager and I'm not sure how much more I can take. I may just step away until the inevitable firing happens. It is going to happen. It is just a matter of time. The man is overmatched. I honestly think he is just not very bright AND he manages scared most of the time.

    Sorry for the vent, but I just can't watch this much longer. It is taking away all the enjoyment for me.


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    Don't forget how he zombie'ed his way through the "fracas" while Trebelhorn was getting in people's (like Leylands) grills.

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    I agree....He is awful.

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    Honestly, man, this is what a lot of us have been saying since last May. People act like we're making knee-jerk reactions, but it's really not like that at all. This has been a long series of poor decisions and poor roster management.

    I don't know how much longer I can watch this team. I'll never give up on them, but I simply can not physically stand to watch the same mistakes happen over and over again with no attempt madeto correct them.

    I don't care what anyone says about our talent, we should be better than this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn__davis View Post
    Honestly, man, this is what a lot of us have been saying since last May. People act like we're making knee-jerk reactions, but it's really not like that at all. This has been a long series of poor decisions and poor roster management.

    I don't know how much longer I can watch this team. I'll never give up on them, but I simply can not physically stand to watch the same mistakes happen over and over again with no attempt madeto correct them.

    I don't care what anyone says about our talent, we should be better than this.
    I said all offseason that i felt that Perlozzo would hold us back more than anything else.

    He is just awful.

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    There should be a Ban the Sam cult/protest thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenn__davis View Post
    Honestly, man, this is what a lot of us have been saying since last May. People act like we're making knee-jerk reactions, but it's really not like that at all. This has been a long series of poor decisions and poor roster management.

    I don't know how much longer I can watch this team. I'll never give up on them, but I simply can not physically stand to watch the same mistakes happen over and over again with no attempt madeto correct them.

    I don't care what anyone says about our talent, we should be better than this.
    I agree. I'll be perfectly honest with you now. I made myself promise that I wouldn't criticize Perlozzo's roster and in game management last year. I knew it was his first full year and he was likely to do some things wrong due to his nerves. I'm sure it can be daunting. I probably didn't stay completely true to that promise, but I mostly did. However, I despised what I saw from him last year for the most part. I just stayed silent to give him time.

    What scares me is that he appears to have gotten worse with more talent on the roster this year. It is like more choices make him more likely to screw things up. SG has it perfectly in the other thread about Payton. Since Payton has returned, he has completely misused Millar and I don't blame Millar for being upset. However, Perlozzo likely sees the 300 average and just misses the rest of it. I honestly wonder if he could even define OPS or answer correctly if someone asked whether OBP or slugging or average was a more important stat by itself. I wonder if he even understands how important it is that Millar sees many more pitches than Payton.

    Anyway, my point is that I know some people have been crowing about this longer than I have, but I haven't just "joined" you lately. I've just finally become vocal about it.

    He has to go.

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    IMO it's hard for a manager to truly hurt the team so much to the point of costing them games. It's not hard to be competent enough to not screw your team out of a win, but Sam seems to try his best to do it.

    But still, we need a lot more than a new manager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vatech1994 View Post
    {snip}
    Fast forward a few minutes and Roberts gets called out stealing despite being safe. Roberts gets very upset and yells three times at the ump. Now, Roberts never ever acts out like that so he was obviously quite frustrated with the call. At this point, it was clear that most of the team was frustrated. Does Perlozzo get thrown out? Does he even get really upset? No, he just meekly talks to the umpire and then goes on back to the dug-out. He simply has to get thrown out there. He has too.

    {snip}

    He is just a terrible, terrible manager and I'm not sure how much more I can take. I may just step away until the inevitable firing happens. It is going to happen. It is just a matter of time. The man is overmatched. I honestly think he is just not very bright AND he manages scared most of the time. {snip}
    Very good points, all of them. I think you are right that the tide is about to turn on him. The Roberts incident and others like it can't be going unnoticed by the players. Once the stars turn against him, he'll be as good as gone.

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    Joe Torre might be available later this week!! Go Texas!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimum O View Post
    Joe Torre might be available later this week!! Go Texas!!
    He is a bad option as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sports Guy View Post
    He is a bad option as well.
    Yeah, one zombie to another. The only difference is that Torre used to win.

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    Ray Miller looks like Earl Weaver compared to Perlozzo. Miller just didn't have the support of his players so that's why he failed. Perlozzo has the support of his players, but who knows for how long...

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    But does he really? Millar is already frustrated with him.

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