Roberts to Cubs update

[JTrea81]

I thought you hated that deal for Oakland? Beane took a substandard package, etc???

He did what he wanted to do, which was get back quantity. Beane set the market instead of waiting for the market to be set and then trying to use the price before the market was set, which is what MacPhail is doing. Beane has identified players he wants and he's making deals to improve his club, unlike MacPhail who just likes to talk about improving his...

Had MacPhail actually traded Bedard before Haren was traded he would be recieving the players he wanted, but since he waited, Haren was traded and Bedard's value dropped. Now he's going to have to settle instead of continuing to have an unrealistic price tag for Bedard, otherwise Bedard will be an Oriole on Opening Day.

If MacPhail is actually serious about rebuilding Bedard has to go this offseason, otherwise you waste the best opportunity to maximize the return for him. He's waited until Haren got traded and will most likely wait for a Santana trade which will net a package of only one stud prospect such as Hughes/Buchholz/Ellsbury. The longer MacPhail waits, the lower Bedard's value is going to go...

[slaphitter]

All this talk of Cubs' prospects while our old prospect has done a decent job in the bigs.

Fontenot seems to be in Chicago's plans for the future.

Damn this deal better go down.
Cedeno is ABSOLUTELY ready to play everyday in the show.

[vatech1994]

Had MacPhail actually traded Bedard before Haren was traded he would be recieving the players he wanted, but since he waited, Haren was traded and Bedard's value dropped.

You keep typing stuff like this like it is a fact. Do you actually believe it to be fact? If so, can you please cite your source.

If it is your opinion, can you please explain to me why you believe this to be true and support it?

[Lucky Jim]

You keep typing stuff like this like it is a fact. Do you actually believe it to be fact? If so, can you please cite your source.

If it is your opinion, can you please explain to me why you believe this to be true and support it?

It's epidemic around here.

[JTrea81]

You keep typing stuff like this like it is a fact. Do you actually believe it to be fact? If so, can you please cite your source.

If it is your opinion, can you please explain to me why you believe this to be true and support it?

Well Beane was asking for 3-4 blue chippers for Haren to start with according to this article:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../SPRMTNE39.DTL

That's pretty much the equivalent to what MacPhail is asking from teams for Bedard. I have no doubt Beane could have got 3 blue chip prospects for Haren, yet he decided he wanted more than three players so he took less talent to get more players from Arizona.

Now had Beane held out say until after Bedard was traded, the price tag for Haren would still be 3-4 blue chip prospects. Therefore MacPhail would be justified in asking for three top prospects, but Haren was dealt before Bedard. Beane took less and now MacPhail looks unreasonable for not realizing the market price for Bedard has changed. Had MacPhail set the market before Beane traded Haren, I think he could actually get the players he wanted with the exception of Bruce.

[Goop]

I've been hoping that Marshall would blossom more. I followed him when he pitched for VCU, and he pitched well for them while he was in college.

He also dated my girlfriends' best friends' sorority sister, which practically makes us family, and family should hook each other up with tickets!

[Jimmy Mad]

Marshall played collegiately at VCU and continues to haunt me to this day. Personally, I hoped to never have to see him again.

[Goop]

Marshall played collegiately at VCU and continues to haunt me to this day. Personally, I hoped to never have to see him again.

Did you play against him?

[Pruke]

Right...Murton is much better than Marshall.

Marshall is a borderline 5th starter in the AL IMO.

I guess if Cedeno is the toss in, then Marshall becomes the 2nd piece and I think a ML Starter (5th or otherwise) isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I cannot help but think they're lining up to trade off some of this glut of pitching at some point next year in the hopes of picking up a key bat or 2.

[markpolis]

Well Beane was asking for 3-4 blue chippers for Haren to start with according to this article:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../SPRMTNE39.DTL

That's pretty much the equivalent to what MacPhail is asking from teams for Bedard. I have no doubt Beane could have got 3 blue chip prospects for Haren, yet he decided he wanted more than three players so he took less talent to get more players from Arizona.

Now had Beane held out say until after Bedard was traded, the price tag for Haren would still be 3-4 blue chip prospects. Therefore MacPhail would be justified in asking for three top prospects, but Haren was dealt before Bedard. Beane took less and now MacPhail looks unreasonable for not realizing the market price for Bedard has changed. Had MacPhail set the market before Beane traded Haren, I think he could actually get the players he wanted with the exception of Bruce.

If the Twins trade Santana and get 4 blue chips prospects does that once again change the market for Bedard? What if the Twins trade Santana to the Blue Jays or Red Sox? Hank Steinbrenner will probably flip out and offer his entire farm system for Bedard.

There are way too many other unknown factors involved for your "black and white" conclusion on Bedard's decreased trade value.

[blueberryale77]

I guess if Cedeno is the toss in, then Marshall becomes the 2nd piece and I think a ML Starter (5th or otherwise) isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I cannot help but think they're lining up to trade off some of this glut of pitching at some point next year in the hopes of picking up a key bat or 2.

Except that we have even more marginal 5th starters right now than we do DHs. Marshall doesn't have a whole lot of upside, especially if you throw him into the best hitting division in baseball. Trading away your best players needs to fill major needs and/or pick up guys with high upside who may be a risk but have the potential to be well above average players for us. "Not necessarily a bad thing" is what you trade Huff, Payton, Mora, etc. for just to be rid of their contracts and/or attitudes. It shouldn't be a significant part of a Roberts deal. Veal >>> Marshall IMO because while he's not a sure thing his potential is much higher.

[JohnnyK27]

Except that we have even more marginal 5th starters right now than we do DHs. Marshall doesn't have a whole lot of upside, especially if you throw him into the best hitting division in baseball. Trading away your best players needs to fill major needs and/or pick up guys with high upside who may be a risk but have the potential to be well above average players for us. "Not necessarily a bad thing" is what you trade Huff, Payton, Mora, etc. for just to be rid of their contracts and/or attitudes. It shouldn't be a significant part of a Roberts deal. Veal >>> Marshall IMO because while he's not a sure thing his potential is much higher.

I dont get why they'd want Cedeno over Patterson? Does anyone else?

Forget Marshall they should try to get a high ceiling kid who's in the low minors as we have more pitchers than we have slots for this year!

[blueberryale77]

I dont get why they'd want Cedeno over Patterson? Does anyone else?

Forget Marshall they should try to get a high ceiling kid who's in the low minors as we have more pitchers than we have slots for this year!

Maybe because Trembley's motto starts with "be on time..."

[Fairfax Bird]

So this would mean a 2B man would be coming back in a Bedard deal, most likely Kendrick from the Angels or Chen from the Mariners. I don't think Cedeno would make an adequate second baseman.

Why? If we get Cedeno it is to play SS, but why couldn't he shift to 2B?

[JohnnyK27]

I'm certain they could straighten Patterson out... Patterson looks like he could replace Roberts at the lead off role. Cedeno well ???? I 'm not sure but 10 HR Power ...Not a lot of speed... We could get lucky & LH might hit 10