Marshall has the lowest ceiling (solid back-of-the-rotation starter), but the greatest probability of reaching that ceiling (he's pretty much there now).Originally Posted by coe76
Could Davearm or soneone who knows the Cubs system give us a breadkown on if Gallagher or Marshall is rated higher in their eyes? It seems Veal is a bit below them but I do not know for sure. Any guidance would be appreciated. Heck, any real movement on the trade front would be appreciated!!
Veal, the opposite -- high ceiling with very questionable attainability. He profiles very similarly to Adam Loewen, especially his high K, high BB tendencies.
Gallagher's got a nice balance of both upside (#3 starter, maybe a #2) and solid prospect for attaining it, which makes him the top pick of the three.
Apples, Oranges, and speculation.
Ryan
We could sit here and debate who's going to have the better bigleague career... Cedeno or Patterson? Cedeno or Murton? Marshall or Veal?
And the winner of that debate will be whoever is more persuasive and articulate, regardless of which guy(s) he's arguing for, because there's really no clear right answer.
That's the nature of the Cubs available young guys these days. They're all decent. They all have questionmarks. They're all basically ready to step into a bigleague roster, or are a year or less away. And in terms of trade value, you can more or less throw a blanket over about 8 or 10 of them.
Guys like Hill and Pie and Marmol and Soto are on another level, but after that group I'll be fine with just about any combination of 3 of the remaining many (Cedeno, Murton, Patterson, Fontenot (OK he's a grade below the rest), Fuld, Colvin, Veal, Gallagher, Marshall, and maybe a half-dozen young bullpen guys).
Right.
So who do you think we should select with the draft picks when he leaves in two years?
I know he hasn't been mentioned in any trade rumors, but how do they think Pawelek will do? I know he hasn't been that great as of yet. Do they have faith in him?
They're still trying to get Pawelek's mechanics straightened out, and get his delivery to be more repeatable.
I have no idea what the organization says about the guy privately, but of course they put on an optimistic face for interviews and whatnot.
Who knows. The guy's still young. But he certainly seems like (another) bust to me.
I think he's a possible bust as well. Nothing against him or the state, but playing HS ball in UT and setting state records is a little different than setting state records in CA, FL,...etc. We'll see how he turns out. Hopefully he'll be alright.
It might have something to do with the fact that the last 2 seasons at AAA Iowa, Cedeno hit for .900 + OPS and is a much better fielder, and a SS.
Is he really? He's made quite a few errors at both SS and 2B (although in limited playing time at 2B). Fielding percentages in the .950 range throughout the majors and minors. Obviously that's not the be-all and end-all, but it's not a good sign. Given the mixed reviews on Patterson, I think there's at least a chance that with some good coaching on his footwork Patterson could end up being the better fielder of the two.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...y-Cedeno.shtml
He only pitched 17 innings this year did he have a injury?
From what I've read, Cedeno's errors are the kind that flashy young fielders make when they haven't learned to play within themselves. I don't think there is much evidence that he can't be at least a competent fielder, if not a LH.EPatt has some serious basic problems defensively and the jury seems to be out on weither he should be an IF or an OF.
He tripped over his playstation waking up and broke his non pitching arm. His mechanics were out of whack , so he was thrown to extended ST for awhile if IIRC. Supposedly, in fall instructs a few months ago, he had the kinks worked out. We'll see.
LOL
Is he anymore than a real longshot?
Not a big fan of this proposed deal. We're not getting any of the Cubs top four prospects and the deal gives weight that assumes, IMO, that Cedeno will become an average ML 2B - something we have seen little evidence of since he's had his ML opportunities.
If I were a GM dealing the owner's favorite player, I would want more of a sure thing in such a deal.
IMO, definately. He pitched well in his first two seasons, then last year was the anomaly, with reasons for it. Our farm guy (Fleita) said that he thinks he's going to have a great 08 because they've found a repeatable delivery with him. Here was some of the recent quotes:
Is he anymore than a real longshot?
But after pitching in just two games at Class A Peoria in April, Pawelek headed to extended Spring Training in Mesa to work on mechanics. While preparing to rejoin Boise when the Northwest League season began, he suffered a fractured right (non-throwing) elbow when he tripped over his PlayStation.
After six weeks of rehabbing the injury, Pawelek headed up to Boise in late July, and he pitched in eight games in relief.
He's been making up for the lost time back in Mesa this fall and farm director Oneri Fleita was extremely enthusiastic about what he's seen, particularly when it comes to the mechanics which had been hampered by inconsistency.
"We finally have a delivery that I think he can repeat and that's really what it's been all about," Fleita said. "He's having fun and he's finally got a smile on his face, and usually with that comes success. So we're hoping this is the start of a huge gain for 2008."
Fleita attributes much of Pawelek's progress this fall to pitching coaches Dennis Lewallyn and Tom Pratt.
Pratt has been with the Cubs for a long time with a lengthy record of success stories, while Lewallyn joined the organization this season after working with such pitchers as Brandon Webb and Jose Valverde in his 12 years with the Arizona Diamondbacks.
"Sometimes it takes awhile for someone to 'connect,'" Fleita explained. "It can be a lot of things and sometimes you don't know how the dots get connected."
Fleita's own enthusiasm about Pawelek's progress is off the charts.
"He's young and left-handed and healthy," he said. "That equation can pay big dividends."
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