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Thread: Roberts Trade News Thread
01-09-2008 11:34 AM #91
01-09-2008 11:37 AM #92
I'm not a huge fan of Ronny C but he's got some potential. His last two years in AAA he posted an OPS of around .920 and that was around 500 ab's I believe.
01-09-2008 11:45 AM #93Board National League Analyst
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What Cedeno seems to need is to have a hitting coach that'll be in his ear preaching plate discipline and being selective and so forth, and not being a free swinger that's hacking away even as he walks in from the on-deck circle.
Cedeno's biggest problem in '06 was that he'd either get himself out by putting crap pitches weakly into play early in the count, or by getting behind in the count swinging and missing at said crap pitches. As much as anything else, that's the habit that he has to stay out of, and under the Cubs' new coaching regime, he seemed to be making progress.
My fear would be that Crowley's philosophy and tutelage would be too similar to what Cedeno had with Gene Clines in '06.
01-09-2008 11:47 AM #94
Not all that high on Cedeno, but Marshall and Gallagher I really like. Marshall had a solid (3.92 ERA) year last year in a hitter's park, and has a 2.82 career MiLB ERA. Gallagher has a 2.75 career MiLB ERA. Roberts' strength is his gap power, which could be diminished with a move to Wrigley and the NL Central, which includes the GABP, Minute Maid, and Citizen's Bank, all of which have smaller dimensions than the Yard. I wouldn't count on him to improve much.
01-09-2008 12:13 PM #95Plus Member since 11/03 Hall of Fame
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Lou Piniella is a pretty good evaluator of talent. His resume includes a World Series with the Reds, a 116 win season with the Mariners, and last year he took a team that won 66 games in 2006 and won 85 games and a division title. I would put Lou in the same class as Leyland which is pretty close to Earl Weaver in Baltimore terms, at least at this stage of Lou's career.
Lou had Cedeno last year and instead of using him he spent him to AAA and put Ryam Theriot as SS. Theriot is not a high ceiling guy. He is considered a utility player by many. If Lou not only does not think Cedeno is as good as Theriot at SS but also believed that Cedeno, who spent all of 2006 with the Cubs, does not even belong on the team. Well, that says a whole lot.
Second point of reference, in 2006 Cedeno started the year as the starting SS for the Cubs under Dusty Baker. However, Baker replaced him with Cesar Izturis. This the same Izturis that played for the Pirates last year and was not given a contract this winter. He was not traded. He apparently had not trade value. That shows you what Baker thought of Cedeno. Baker is an established manager league manager, who has four 90 wins seasons under his belt as well as a NL Pennant with the Giants.
Now the O's get Cedeno. They think they talent evaluation is better then Piniella and Baker. Enough said.
01-09-2008 12:21 PM #96
01-09-2008 12:22 PM #97Plus Member Since 04/04
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I think Gallagher is a very good #1 piece in a Roberts trade and that Cedeno is a very good #3 piece. I think Marshall is a bit less than we could/should have gotten as a #2 piece, but overall it is still a very fair deal. Without knowing what other offers/teams were out there for Roberts, this trade is worth making.
I think getting Marshall and Gallagher, two more guys who should be able to start in 2008, really opens up the possibility of trading Cabrera or Guthrie. If teams really are offering a top notch hitting prospect for Cabrera, I think you have to make that move.
01-09-2008 12:23 PM #98
01-09-2008 12:25 PM #99
I just want everyone to know that I have been at work all morning and then I go on lunch and I come across this.....How am I going to get work done now that I know something like this has happened? LOL (Work in the military=working like your on crack.)
01-09-2008 12:25 PM #100Bluefield
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Those looking for a Chicago confirmation, the Chicago Tribune's sports website www.chicagosports.com has the Roberts trade as it's main headline. However, the article doesn't say a deal is done but that it will happen eventually and speculates how much it will cost.
On hold over much of the last month, the Brian Roberts talks are on again between the Cubs and Baltimore Orioles. This deal is almost certainly going to happen -- the only question is when and how much is it going to cost the Cubs.
The feeling among major league executives is soon, and a lot. Don't be surprised if the trade is finalized later this week -- perhaps even Wednesday -- and the deal includes pitchers Sean Marshall, Sean Gallagher and Ronny Cedeno.
01-09-2008 12:28 PM #101
Well, I'll have to go into my profile and change my favorite O's player, but it's quite allright. As has been pointed out by many, we have some very good, young pitching depth - legitimate young talent, even if they are not all proven yet. I'm excited though.
Now hopefully the Bedard trade goes down and we'll really have a better idea of what we are working with going into this season.
Way to go O's!
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