Report: Angelos nixed Deal

[JTrea81]

I don't get the logic here though. Leaks happen all the time. So this one leaked and somehow Angelos is going to want more players because it leaked? Doesn't make any sense at all.

I can see Bavasi interchanging parts but not increasing the base of the offer. Especially not for something like a leaked quote.

It all depends on how desperate the M's are for Bedard. After all Bavasi has said and done, the M's are going to look pretty foolish if they don't get Bedard now. Ian Snell will not get them to the playoffs and Santana doesn't want to play on the West Coast. All their eggs are in Bedard's basket.

My guess is that is what the Orioles are banking on and this is just another ploy to get them to up the ante. MacPhail has pulled the rug out from under Bavasi before, so why be surprised if he did it again? This is an extremely risky gamble by the Orioles, but it might just pay off...

[PoorMike]

Baker paints a different picture, saying Bavasi pissed off Angelos by not putting a muzzle on Jones so the M's are the ones who are going to need to ante up if they want Bedard. Churchill is basically saying the same...

Can someone please explain to me how Jones' words ALONE could bring a deal down?...or at least, why Jones' statement would anger Angelos? Jones has only been a rumored part of the deal for a couple of months. It makes no sense.

On a slightly different note, is it possible that Bavasi is pulling Jones and tellng him to pack for BMore to make it look like a deal has been done in order to put pressure on AM (who will look weak if all this happens and a deal doesn't go through)? If that's the case, that would be kind of underhanded on Bavasi's part.

[Elon Os Fan]

My guy thinks its a lame excuse for Angelos to be upset about leaks. Bavasi was just doing what he felt was right by calling Jones and having him pulled. Jones should of kept his mouth shut..yes. But if people believe Angelos nixed the deal because of leaks. thats crazy.

Peace,

What was the reason why Angelos nixed the deal.

I swear, I will take it with a grain of salt

[Why Not?]

no offense mr newspaper guy but reporters post stories on 'sources' all the time. They preface it by saying O's Sources tell us....blah. They do not say - Ted Johnson in the O's organization told me today that.....blah. Ted would soon find himself fired or at the very least - kept outta the loop from now on as most GMs like to keep things quiet. Peace has every right to keep his source quiet and he's smart to do so if he wants information to continuously come his way.

Ever notice how often those stories are incorrect? Just in this latest Bedard soap opera, countless stories based on anonymous info have later been revised and/or contradicted.

Sometimes sources don't always know as much as they think they know. And by remaining anonymous, they can sprinkle in their opinion with their supposed knowledge without accountability.

[Peace21]

It all depends on how desperate the M's are for Bedard. After all Bavasi has said and done, the M's are going to look pretty foolish if they don't get Bedard now.

My guess is that is what the Orioles are banking on and this is just another ploy to get them to up the ante. MacPhail has pulled the rug out from under Bavasi before, so why be surprised if he did it again? This is an extremely risky gamble by the Orioles, but it might just pay off...

It is a tough gamble for AM to pull the rug out under Bavasi again. Having another team involved may help ante up the deal. Thats the only way I can see it being anted up. And it would have to be the Angels if you want the M's to sell the farm.

[hefalumps]

Can someone please explain to me how Jones' words ALONE could bring a deal down?...or at least, why Jones' statement would anger Angelos? Jones has only been a rumored part of the deal for a couple of months. It makes no sense.

On a slightly different note, is it possible that Bavasi is pulling Jones and tellng him to pack for BMore to make it look like a deal has been done in order to put pressure on AM (who will look weak if all this happens and a deal doesn't go through)? If that's the case, that would be kind of underhanded on Bavasi's part.

Very interesting speculation - this could all be a ridiculous game of chess between the two GMs/owners.

If it is, then we, the fans, are their pawns.

[Peace21]

Peace,

What was the reason why Angelos nixed the deal.

I swear, I will take it with a grain of salt

Hahaha no clue. No one knows. It will come out in the laundry soon I guess.

[weemnj]

Who exactly do you think would have sympathy for the M's that counts?[/QUOTE]

In the old days we called that credibility-----now "street cred" or something newer that I am not aware of.
Used to be important stuff and based on the most recent BRob and the current Bedard stuff ---I am embarrased for the O's. Used to be you could take one's word to the bank..... not snark out something extra-----or try to.

[Pickles]

Based on track record----the "worthless" one would be PA. He was the underlying base that resulted in 10 years of losing.

Your repeated attacks on insiders is the result of your inability to comprehend
PA's destructive and negative ways.-----The writing is on the walls right in front of you.......Open your eyes.

I don't think I've made repeated attacks on insiders. I think I'm skeptical of information that doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to me. If it was coming from a mechanic concerning my car I'd be inclined to take them at thier word. As it is, its coming from sources with a mixed- at best- track record.
Angelos has been a horrible owner, no doubt. I'm just not ready to throw him under the bus on this particular issue because we don't have any kind of legitimate information saying PGA nixed this deal after initially agreeing to it.

[MJA3488]

just so I dont have to read through every page of this thread, where is this info coming from other than Peace's post?

I am not in anyway saying that its not true as I have not talked to a source at all since earlier

[JTrea81]

It is a tough gamble for AM to pull the ryg out under Bavasi again. Having another team involved may help ante up the deal. Thats the only way I can see it being anted up. And it would have to be the Angels if you want the M's to sell the farm.

Bavasi has basically told his fanbase that they are competing for the playoffs and need a #1 starter to do so. How do you come back from that without getting one?

I doubt the Angelos excuse would fly, because Bavasi knew what he was getting into...

[Why Not?]

Thanks, MJA! I'm truly wondering if Angelos has even SEEN this deal yet?

The Sun has continued to report that PGA was away from any baseball activities today. It seems unlikely that he first approved then killed the deal. The Sun could be totally wrong about PGA's availability today, but I doubt it.

[clapdiddy]

just so I dont have to read through every page of this thread, where is this info coming from other than Peace's post?

I am not in anyway saying that its not true as I have not talked to a source at all since earlier

Rosenthal said that Angelos was meddling. I'm not sure that its really been anywhere else.

[ChrisAF79]

just so I dont have to read through every page of this thread, where is this info coming from other than Peace's post?

I am not in anyway saying that its not true as I have not talked to a source at all since earlier

That's all we've got. Unless you count the conjecture contained in the Sun's report and what Rosenthal is saying.

I'm still not sold on any of it. I am well aware of Angelos' history, but this isn't passing the sniff test for me.

[-j.]

It all depends on how desperate the M's are for Bedard. After all Bavasi has said and done, the M's are going to look pretty foolish if they don't get Bedard now. Ian Snell will not get them to the playoffs and Santana doesn't want to play on the West Coast. All their eggs are in Bedard's basket.

My guess is that is what the Orioles are banking on and this is just another ploy to get them to up the ante. MacPhail has pulled the rug out from under Bavasi before, so why be surprised if he did it again? This is an extremely risky gamble by the Orioles, but it might just pay off...

After all that has been rumored though and Bavasi's matter-of-factly stating his final offer was on the table, he would look foolish to overpay for Bedard. Especially when it is a one horse race. The entire baseball world knows how this trade has been jerked around. Like Peace said, he would garner sympathy if the deal went sour and could take out the "we did everything we could" card.

He would be incredibly stupid to bid against himself at this point.