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06-04-2008 09:14 PM #1
Someone please explain to me...
... why everyone thinks Tim Beckham is so great, and should be taken over Smoak, Matusz, Posey, or anyone else worthy of consideration at 1:4.
I'm not a professional scout, but why are there so many questions about Gordon Beckham's swing compared to very, very few about Tim's? To me, Tim's looks quite a bit worse from what I've seen, particularly the one on Camden Depot. I don't know if that's fully representative of what he'll be like, as that pitch looks to be a bit high, but it appears to me that he won't be able to drive the ball at all with such a short stride and very little use of his legs.
I understand Tim's a great fielder, and at SS that's more valuable than anywhere else, as well as having good speed. But I wouldn't take a guy with the fourth overall pick based on his fielding and running. If TBeckham can't hit, and I'm certainly not convinced he can, I really don't want him. If scouts think he'll be okay, I want to know why before I immediately hail him as a great pick and a steal at #4.
06-04-2008 09:19 PM #2
At Bats – 132
Hits – 54
Doubles – 15
Triples – 8
Homeruns – 9
Runs Batted In – 38
Batting Average – .409
Slugging – .848
Total Bases – 112
Stolen Bases – 32
He was just really impressive when placed side by side with the best HS talent around.
06-04-2008 09:26 PM #3
Am I crazy for thinking Smoak is the best talent in the draft? GG potential 1st baseman, that is a switch hitter, that is middle of the order talent. It also seems to me that he only needs 2-3 years of minor league development before he can play in the bigs.
06-04-2008 09:49 PM #4
06-04-2008 10:15 PM #5Plus Member Hall of Fame
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Smoak has a major power bat and may eventually be considered the best bat in this draft - but at this point that spot appears to be held by Alvarez while many believe Hosmer will be a better pro bat than Smoak as well.
I like Smoak just fine, but I think people get a little carried away and make him out to be something he's not. Smoak could turn an organizational weakness into a solid strength overnight and that is very tempting.
But we are picking fourth and, IMO, we can't afford to pass on a talent like Beckham if our scouts predict him as a plus SS or on Matusz if our scouts believe there is a high likelihood of BM becoming a 2 or better.
06-04-2008 10:33 PM #6
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06-04-2008 10:59 PM #9
Fastball that tops out at 92? Great college numbers, but it is college. If he were right handed, my guess is that he is not this high
I am not saying the Orioles should reach here, but I would be happier if they took Smoak here if he were available.
06-04-2008 11:14 PM #10Plus Member Since 12/07 All-Star
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We cannot gamble.....I repeat.....We cannot gamble on a high school player with the 4th pick in the draft.
We need hitters and we need a lot of them. I would not take a pitcher with any of our first five picks. We should take all hitters and try to re-stock our farm system and major league roster in the next two years with college hitters. If Smoak is there we should take him. Pittsburgh or KC could surprise and take him with the second or third pick. I hope not but if it happens it means we will probably get Alvarez. If we take Matusz it means we are going to probably deal Cabrera, Loewen or Burres in a package?
We cannot gamble..... AM and JJ .....We cannot gamble with a high school player with our first pick.
06-04-2008 11:31 PM #11
06-04-2008 11:32 PM #12
He combines a good arsenal with above-average command. He is an advanced pitcher with a history of success and still room to improve (because a couple of simple mechanical modifications could have dramatic effects). His motion is easy and repeatable, meaning little adjustments should not be problematic (throw other aspects of his delivery out of whack).
06-04-2008 11:35 PM #13
06-04-2008 11:45 PM #14
Would I rather have the big upside tools guy like Beckham or Hosmer or the sure thing college slugger? Sure, but it's not like Matusz is a reach at #4.
06-04-2008 11:47 PM #15
I not really compairing them really. I was just pointing out that Beckham is a huge kid for highschool standards and doesn't show that much power (relative since this is coming from a kid that never hit a HR in HS). To me that is a red flag. With someone of Smoak talent possible available I think it would be insane to pass up. I would prefer the O's go to the safer pick and get Smoak.