O's Fans Held Hostage - Day 26

[McNulty]

When did I say I was fine becoming the Twins or Rays? I wanted this team completely blown up if they didn't sign Tex or Burnett. But the situation has changed, the market is depressed and the remaining FA bats and pitchers have come down drastically in price, a price the Orioles should be able to afford. Dunn won't cost picks. Sheets will only cost a 2nd round pick. Dunn and Sheets would improve this team a ton and now they are even more affordable, so now is the time to alter the plan again.

If not they need to be having a firesale as I originally suggested, and right now besides the rumors of Roberts, I don't see them actiing quick enough like Beane did when he traded Haren and Swisher within in a month.

Treading water should not be an option when all the other teams around you that you are trying to pass are making moves and improving their teams for the future.

Are you seriously suggesting that the difference between blowing it up and signing a bunch of vets is one player? That in itself is a ridiculous statement, business model and plan; but to think that the rest of us are going to buy this thinking is just as ridiculous.

[SilentJames]

Seriously?

I don't know much about his modus operandi, so I hope you're not screwing with me.

Didn't he have some stud young pitcher a year or so ago that he wouldn't part with and then eventually traded for not much? Or am I remembering things wrong?

Either way, I get why Williams would nix that deal.

[McNulty]

Didn't he have some stud young pitcher a year or so ago that he wouldn't part with and then eventually traded for not much? Or am I remembering things wrong?

Either way, I get why Williams would nix that deal.

Garland perhaps? I dunno.

[JTrea81]

Yeah and there are forty days left in ST. AM works slow, no one is really going anywhere and it is a method that worked well for us last year.

So lets actually wait for the guy to die before we put him on the cart, alright?.

It's a method that worked when we had chips to deal, and by all means if we are putting everybody out there, and that includes Guthrie and Markakis, then we can wait.

But Roberts isn't going to fetch a lot and signings are starting to take place on the FA market. MacPhail can't afford to wait if that's where he wants to go...

[JTrea81]

But I'm speaking to the fact that Tex WASN'T INTERESTED IN COMING HERE as you have correctly pointed out....

Again Tex wasn't interested in coming here for the lowest offer. But to say he wasn't interested in coming here period, that we will truly never know unless we hear it from Teixeira himself.

[Moose Milligan]

It's a method that worked when we had chips to deal, and by all means if we are putting everybody out there, and that includes Guthrie and Markakis, then we can wait.

But Roberts isn't going to fetch a lot and signings are starting to take place on the FA market. MacPhail can't afford to wait if that's where he wants to go...

I think we should dangle Wieters, in that case.

[JTrea81]

I think we should dangle Wieters, in that case.

In four years I might agree with you...

[RShack]

Yeah and there are forty days left in ST. AM works slow, no one is really going anywhere and it is a method that worked well for us last year.

So lets actually wait for the guy to die before we put him on the cart, alright?.

The basic problem here is that you are trying to use reason.

BTW, research recently showed that, if you provide people who have a certain belief with Actual Factual Evidence that their belief is wrong, it can actually *strengthen* their belief.
In other words, some folks are just Evidence-Proof. Thought you might wanna know this...

[Moose Milligan]

Again Tex wasn't interested in coming here for the lowest offer. But to say he wasn't interested in coming here period, that we will truly never know unless we hear it from Teixeira himself.

And again, Tex waited out all the teams until the Yankees stepped up and made an offer.

If Tex was interested in coming here he might have given the O's a chance to up their offer.

But nope, the Yanks swooped in. Seriously, practically everyone on this board has come to the realization that Tex never really was interested in coming here, except for you.

[Miller192]

The basic problem here is that you are trying to use reason.

BTW, research recently showed that, if you provide people who have a certain belief with Actual Factual Evidence that their belief is wrong, it actually *strengthens* their belief.
In other words, some folks are just Evidence-Proof. Thought you might wanna know this...

You and JTrea were just meant for each other.

[Moose Milligan]

In four years I might agree with you...

Nah, do it now. What if Wieters comes up with bad knees?

What could we get for Wieters right now?

[McNulty]

The basic problem here is that you are trying to use reason.

BTW, research recently showed that, if you provide people who have a certain belief with Actual Factual Evidence that their belief is wrong, it actually *strengthens* their belief.
In other words, some folks are just Evidence-Proof. Thought you might wanna know this...

Don't you realize how foolish you look saying these things?

[JTrea81]

And again, Tex waited out all the teams until the Yankees stepped up and made an offer.

If Tex was interested in coming here he might have given the O's a chance to up their offer.

But nope, the Yanks swooped in. Seriously, practically everyone on this board has come to the realization that Tex never really was interested in coming here, except for you.

He was interested, but the Orioles had to make an effort IMO, and I think he ruled us out the minute we made our 7/140 offer because it was lower than the offer he recieved from the Angels and the Nationals, two teams he didn't want to go to. He wanted the most money and we weren't offering it. That's why he didn't give us a chance to raise our offer. We lost when we lowballed him. So no I'll admit he didn't want to desperately be an Oriole, but we'll never know if we made an offer of 8/184 right out of the gate that anybody would have topped it, or that he would have turned it down to take a lower offer with the Yankees or Red Sox.

Miguel Tejada didn't have a huge attraction to the Orioles and we blew him away so he signed. We should have done the same thing with Tex.

And that's my final say on the matter.

[McNulty]

He was interested, but the Orioles had to make an effort IMO, and I think he ruled us out the minute we made our 7/140 offer because it was lower than the offer he recieved from the Angels and the Nationals, two teams he didn't want to go to. He wanted the most money and we weren't offering it. That's why he didn't give us a chance to raise our offer. We lost when we lowballed him. So no I'll admit he didn't want to desperately be an Oriole, but we'll never know if we made an offer of 8/184 right out of the gate that anybody would have topped it, or that he would have turned it down to take a lower offer with the Yankees or Red Sox.

Miguel Tejada didn't have a huge attraction to the Orioles and we blew him away so he signed. We should have done the same thing with Tex.

And that's my final say on the matter.

By this rationale he should be at Gnat. They were the ones who were willing to go the highest. Give it up man, he wasn't coming here unless we gave him WAY over market value.

[Wind Rider]

Hang in there JTREA don't let the defenders on here from the law firm and warehouse get the better of you.

You can defend Angelos all you want but you can't change the facts. He's been running this team for years to make money and been spectacularly successful.

Rebuilding means acquiring good young players to fill positions of need. He's got as you say JTREA a great opportunity here but refuses to spend. He's doing a great job of dumping salary not rebuilding.

The fans have seen through this, thank heavens, and are reacting. Attendance will be way way down. We might not even make a million in attendance. Angelos may well see revenues drop 40 million this year.