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  1. 01-06-2009 02:43 PM #1
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    Heyman: Talks stall between O's and White Sox because Balt wants "Floyd plus"

    Wish I could say I was surprised.

    http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/38241
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosLex View Post
    Wish I could say I was surprised.

    http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/38241
    Trade for Floyd stright up and sign O. Hudson.
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  3. 01-06-2009 02:47 PM #3
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    By the way, if this has been mentioned elsewhere already, could you merge the threads, mods? Thanks!
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    No way, overplaying our hand again, I am shocked I tell you, shocked
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    Talks stalled in November right?

    Who honestly knows what is going on with this FO now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Dufresne View Post
    Trade for Floyd stright up and sign O. Hudson.
    Why would we take less than we could otherwise get? He pushed the last two big trades and did a great job. I'm glad AM is not in the 'hurry up and get less' mode. We're not signing Hudson regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StateFarmFSR View Post
    No way, overplaying our hand again, I am shocked I tell you, shocked
    Until MacPhail realizes that every GM isn't as stupid as Bavasi, we're up a certain creek without a paddle.

    Honestly, it'd be poetic justice if we let BRob walk for draft picks, only to have the team that signs him pick up a bunch of Type A free agents. I'd love to see AM's face when we wind up with a 4th round pick rather than a 1st round pick for BRob.
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    White Sox GM Ken Williams said to Chicago media outlets through a spokesman that he hasn't spoken to the Orioles since November.
    Sorry guys, but I doubt the BRob/Floyd rumor was ever based on substance. It never made any sense.
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    Floyd alone isn't a great return, but its enough for Roberts and better than two picks, IMO.

    What "plus" implies is the key here though. If he wants Floyd and two other great prospects, MacPhail is asking for too much. If he's trying to get one of Getz or Lillibridge, then I don't mind him pushing for a good deal at this point (but at some point you have to admit you aren't gonna get as much as hoped).
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    I think the eventual return on Roberts will determine whether MacPhail made the right call in not taking Floyd straight up.
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    Should McPhail just never ask for more than what the other team wants to give him?
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    Why don't the O's add something to the Roberts package?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangar View Post
    Why would we take less than we could otherwise get? He pushed the last two big trades and did a great job. I'm glad AM is not in the 'hurry up and get less' mode. We're not signing Hudson regardless.
    I agree that Hudson won't sign in Baltimore and the Orioles won't pay him what another team will.
    My opinion is that a 26 yearold starting pitcher who has won 17 games and pitched 200 inning in a season is worth more than Brian Roberts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosLex View Post
    Until MacPhail realizes that every GM isn't as stupid as Bavasi, we're up a certain creek without a paddle.

    Honestly, it'd be poetic justice if we let BRob walk for draft picks, only to have the team that signs him pick up a bunch of Type A free agents. I'd love to see AM's face when we wind up with a 4th round pick rather than a 1st round pick for BRob.
    He'd be an idiot if he gave in to the other team's first offer without trying to get more. Especially when its conceivable that the player is indeed worth more.

    Also, we still get the sandwich pick regardless of what pick we get directly from the other team. Obviously it would still sting getting a 3rd round pick instead of a late 1st or early 2nd, but its not a tremendous loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byrdz View Post
    Should McPhail just never ask for more than what the other team wants to give him?
    No, but he should be willing to come down from his demands. As Mackus pointed out, Floyd is better than two unknown draft picks.
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