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01-09-2009 02:59 AM #1
Why we dont draw well in Baltimore
Hate to break it to you.
But except for the first few years at OPCY, the Orioles have always struggled at the gate. Even in the great years, 66', 69', 70',71, and later 83', the birds (not a knock of the fans) havent exactly packed the joint. There used to be an old joke in the 60's..the Orioles needed a bat day to sellout a World Series.
The truth is,Cal was a draw in his final years..but even then, attendence was starting to slip. Winning is one thing, but compelling winners are another.
Guess what? Mark Hendrickson isnt gonna pack a family of four into a Volvo on a Thursday night to see him last 2 and a third innings.
Neither will 32 year old Ryan Freel who hit a total of 0 Home Runs last year.
Unless people in this economy are willing to fork over 250 bucks for a family of four to park; watch the game; and stuff their faces with nachos and dogs and beer for the likes of Cesar Itzuris(which I highly doubt), attendence is gonna drop again.
I was at game two of the season last year.
Thats game two.
As in, the second game of the season. They announced the crowd at 7,000. I would more likely say they really had 3,000 people in the park.
This team needs a facelift. Rebuilding is one thing. Giving you something for your entertainment dollar is another. People arent gonna come out for a loser. But they will really stay home for a dull loser.Sign Adam Dunn. Take some chances. Bring Weiters up now. Lets get something exciting going. Lets take back the ballpark for an exciting product. And never, ever, let the Yankee and Red Sox fans outdraw Oriole fans!
01-09-2009 03:12 AM #2Bowie
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You're right, Izturis, Freel, and Hendrickson aren't bringing fans to the Yard.
But Bonds would.
I'm just sayin'...
01-09-2009 03:24 AM #3
1983 was the first year Oriole home attendance was over 2 million. When the 1995 season started, the team hadn't been to the playoffs in 11 years, since 1983. Home attendance was over 3 million that year despite having ten fewer home games due to the strike. 2008 was the first year since 1983 that home attendance was under 2 million.
01-09-2009 03:33 AM #4
Let this be a first...me..contradicting me!!!
A team that won two world series in four years...didnt draw well.
So its not merely winning.
And God knows, those were pretty colorful teams..so its not just compelling, exciting, winning teams and players that draw either is it?
Its more than that. Its dull, losing teams, and alot of apathy mixed in with the fact that people cant shell out their limited funds for something they dont really want to see.
Fact is...I am worried about sports and the entertainment dollar. It costs too much to go to games. The players make too much money and theres too much "free" baseball on TV for it to matter.
Id go every night if I could or if I lived there. But Im in the minority. I bet alot of you would too. But you are also in the minority.
If baseball isnt careful,(and it isnt) the fans will start staying away in droves in this economy. And yet, this has been a long time coming.
How depressing is that?
01-09-2009 03:41 AM #5
My point exactly!!!
01-09-2009 04:04 AM #6Keys
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I know that Orioles tickets are among the best prices in the league, but I think we are at the point where there are many people who wouldn't go to Baltimore to watch this game for free. I drove from the DC suburbs last summer a good amount, but the next day you are wiped from working, driving an hour, watching three hours of baseball, and driving an hour back (And you still have to wake up at 6 am to go to work). Especially if there are more games in HD, I can swing by Taco Bell on the way home and the game + food is less than $10, compared to tickets, gas, parking and concessions. I still love the O's, but I think a lot of people are going to rethink how much of a financial commitment to a franchise that really hasn't invested in the fans want (i.e. competitive team).
And maybe Wieters will add some excitement, but the only people who really care are the die hards. I can't speak for Baltimore, but only my friends who follow the O's with me really have heard of him.
Truthfully, I'll be fine with hosting O's viewing parties at my house like I did last summer for games I didn't drive too. It is less money and less time consuming. I will try and still catch as many student nights as possible along with the occasional T-shirt Tuesday. And I still will follow the O's and won't consider myself any less of a fan just because my attendance at the Yard will be down.
01-09-2009 04:13 AM #7Keys
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I would also like to add, that if Brian Roberts is traded, I think it will have a significant impact on attendance. The casual Orioles fans (that are still left anyway) know him and consider him the face of the franchise. I think if a casual fan sees him traded for minor leaguers they will be disappointed. It will be seen as yet another dumb front office move instead of a necessary part of rebuilding toward a winner. Aside from this board and some other places, people don't know the top prospects in baseball. This isn't football or basketball, the top young players aren't shown on ESPN like they are with NCAA coverage.
01-09-2009 04:35 AM #8
Baltimore loves football.
Why would anyone who is from Baltimore care about a team that always loses and makes the worst decisions ever imaginable?
Mark Teixeira would have brought people in.
There's no doubt about it.
That would've been an extra 250-500 fans in the beginning of the season tops.
AJ Burnett would've been an extra 5-10 fans in the beginning of the season tops.
My point is that no one believes in Baltimore as a whole.
I've been reading up on NYC, I've been offered a job there, and they fix the their problems as opposed to let them dwell.
Until Baltimore addresses it's problems, most free agents are gonna view this town as The Wire depicts it.
01-09-2009 04:41 AM #9
Dodgers 3,510,313 Angels 2,555,016 Brewers 2,397,131 Expos 2,320,651 Cardinals 2,317,914 Yankees 2,257,976 White Sox 2,132,821 Phillies 2,128,339 Braves 2,119,935 Orioles 2,042,071 Royals 1,963,875 Blue Jays 1,930,415 Tigers 1,829,636 Red Sox 1,782,285 Padres 1,539,815 Cubs 1,479,717 Rangers 1,363,469 Astros 1,351,962 Athletics 1,294,941 Giants 1,251,530 Pirates 1,225,916 Reds 1,190,419 Mets 1,112,774 Twins 858,939 Mariners 813,537 Indians 768,941
However, I can't quibble with the point that the Orioles are in serious trouble attendance wise right now. A weak team competing in a strong division that's perceived by fans as being seriously mismanaged is going to have attendance issues.
01-09-2009 04:45 AM #10
01-09-2009 05:50 AM #11
I'd love to see stats on this, because I'd be amazed. When I moved to LA in 1999, I used to brag about how Camden Yards was always packed every time I'd go to an Angels game. At the time- Angels attendance was abysmal! They started winning and boom- huge fan base returns. Point is though- I could swear the Orioles were among league leaders in attendance for quite some time... at least top 25%.
As far as being dull- we're only dull because we haven't been winning. Names like Adam Jones, Matt Wieters, and of course Markakis and Roberts will all elicit a bit more excitement when a good "team" record follows their individual stats. Granted, Nick is a man of few words- but put him on a powerhouse team that's winning and he becomes "Nick, the Man of Mystery." Or who knows... seems like pessimism is permeating even the most die hard fans these days. MOre depressing by the day....
One last thought- I do think Uehara will draw some interest... maybe not much- but something is better than nothing at this point.
01-09-2009 05:58 AM #12
Once they won the World Series, the ballpark was packed- and suddenly I'd get heckled to death for wearing my O's gear. The turnaround was insane. Those damn rally monkeys didn't help. I'm not sure how long they've been around- but I certainly never noticed them before their World Series run.
Now, if we could just start winning to test this theory!!
01-09-2009 06:20 AM #13
The Ravens came to town in 1996 (right around the same time that the Orioles started to fall off (1997)). I'm not saying that the Ravens coming has been a bad thing because it has obviously been amazing for Baltimore, but I'm 21 years old...for more than half of my life, the Orioles haven't had a winning season.
On the other hand, I've seen the Ravens win a Superbowl and make numerous playoff appearances. A new generation has been bred in Baltimore that doesn't even know what true Baltimore baseball is. Yeah, they might go to OPACY on a random student ticket night with nothing else to do but spend 5 bucks and get drunk with some college kids. But, they don't know the rivalry that used to be O's vs. Yanks. They don't know true Oriole Magic. That's a concept that has died over the past 11 years.
Everyone on this board is a big enough fan and probably went to games at Memorial Stadium in their early childhoods that changed their lives and hooked them to the sport and the team. Anyone born in the past 11 years can't have had the same experience we did. Something has to be done to change this franchise around so that the next generation doesn't see baseball die out completely in Baltimore.
01-09-2009 07:23 AM #14Released Released
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01-09-2009 07:29 AM #15
One time was enough to see Chemical Man bash one. I hope they don't sign him and he stays unemployed. I have a little bit of a problem with him and the way he used steroids to change the game.