Trembley

[JTrea81]

BTW if Trembley is accepting losing now, how is the team going to respond to him when he suddenly starts cracking down on them for things that he's letting go now because it's a rebuilding year.

If he starts getting on guys after letting them get away with so many things, they will turn against him quickly.

That's why I just don't see him being brought back. I think we need a new guy to come in here on Day 1 and tell the team what he expects from the get go, so they won't be able to say or think "well you let me do this last year."

[Aglets]

We turned over the rotation but are still losing, we brought in Wieters and Reimold but are still losing.

The pitching has got better but now the hitting stinks and we've got good offensive players, but there is no motivation right now to win.

Motivating your team to win is part of the manager's job.

Sorry JTrea, but this strikes me as a whole bunch of hooey.

You are acting like Wieters has been productive since he has been here for one thing.........and then since he really hasn't been you want to blame his lack thereof on DT?

It's as if you're saying, "we've had a bit of a roster turnover........but we're still losing........so the cause must be elsewhere."

It must be somewhere that's been here all along.......i know.......the manager! I'll take it one step further........the Crab Shuffle has been here for even longer and I hate it and we keep losing........maybe they should cut the Crab Shuffle.

Yes there has been a big roster turnover, and yes we are still losing, but outside of Bergesen and Reimold, who out of these "new kids" is really tearing it up and contributing? Hill? Berken?

It seems to me like you've made your conclusions and are digging for facts to support them. Losing does not mean that the players WANT to lose, or that Trembley is indifferent towards losing. In fact I would argue that that p.o.v. is just absurd.

[PaulFolk]

Your right that was Perlozzo, my mistake. But I still don't like the prior notice of getting days off.

Why? It's just a respectful thing to do. It doesn't hurt anybody, and the players appreciate it.

I've said for the last 2 years Trembley doesn't stand up for his players enough with Umps. He seems to internalize it instead of confronting the Umps. I'm not saying we need a madman running out there every inning, but if some of these calls were made with, say, Leyland or Maddon runnning the show, the Umps would get an earful.

I don't understand why people say this. Trembley has had some absolutely classic tirades-- I remember one where he actually tried to eject the umpire. Heck, just a few weeks ago, Trembley got in the ump's face-- and got ejected-- after the phantom balk call on Jamie Walker cost the O's a game.

It's a myth to say that Trembley never gets angry or shows emotion when arguing with umps.

[JTrea81]

Sorry JTrea, but this strikes me as a whole bunch of hooey.

You are acting like Wieters has been productive since he has been here for one thing.........and then since he really hasn't been you want to blame his lack thereof on DT?

It's as if you're saying, "we've had a bit of a roster turnover........but we're still losing........so the cause must be elsewhere."

It must be somewhere that's been here all along.......i know.......the manager! I'll take it one step further........the Crab Shuffle has been here for even longer and I hate it and we keep losing........maybe they should cut the Crab Shuffle.

Yes there has been a big roster turnover, and yes we are still losing, but outside of Bergesen and Reimold, who out of these "new kids" is really tearing it up and contributing? Hill? Berken?

It seems to me like you've made your conclusions and are digging for facts to support them. Losing does not mean that the players WANT to lose, or that Trembley is indifferent towards losing. In fact I would argue that that p.o.v. is just absurd.

I'm saying the lack of motivation could be a reason why Wieters let alone the whole team is struggling. And Trembley has no pressure to win right now because he's in a "rebuilding" year. After all last year was a rebuilding year and the team tanked and Trembley was extended, so why should this year be any different? Frankly I think his job security needs to get a little less secure so maybe he'll start cracking down and motivating this team some more instead of just saying "that's just baseball."

[AlBumbry]

There is a lot to like and dislike about DT.

Let's see how this team ends the year..If they collapse, he has no business being brought back.

If they end strong, then by all means, bring him back(and maybe even extend him).

I actually agree with you on this one . . . this team, as currently constructed, should be a .500 team IMO. Assuming no major injuries, there is no reason for another one of the collapses we have seen most of the past several years.

The only caveat I would throw out there would be the impact of any trades we make, depending on the level of any talent we get back.

[Moose Milligan]

I'm saying the lack of motivation could be a reason why Wieters is struggling. And Trembley has no pressure to win right now because he's in a "rebuilding" year. Frankly I think his job security needs to get a little less secure so maybe he'll start cracking down and motivating this team some more instead of just saying "that's just baseball."

Wieters isn't motivated. Right.

[PaulFolk]

BTW if Trembley is accepting losing now, how is the team going to respond to him when he suddenly starts cracking down on them for things that he's letting go now because it's a rebuilding year.

What do you mean by "accepting losing"? As Tony said, Trembley HATES to lose. He wants to win every time he manages a game.

[Mashed Potatoes]

We turned over the rotation but are still losing, we brought in Wieters and Reimold but are still losing.

We maintained Guts and Koji. Is it Trembley's fault Guts isn't pitching like Guts and Koji got hurt?

We added Dick Hill, a guy the Cubs gave away for nothing, he's sporting a 5.81 ERA. Is that DT's fault the guy has no command?

We added Berken, a lower level prospect who most scouts believe belong in the pen, not the rotation, he's sporting a 7.32 ERA. That's DT's fault?

Brad Bergesen is absolutely an improvement and has exceeded expectations.

Yes we've turned the rotation over, but we haven't actually improved it that much.

Reimold has been an improvement with the bat, and a step back with the glove.

Zaun has a .610 OPS, Wieters has a .584 OPS, obviously Wieters will finish better but this hasn't been an improvement yet.

You want to know why we are still losing? Even with the changes our talent level is below our competitors.

The pitching has got better but now the hitting stinks and we've got good offensive players, but there is no motivation right now to win.

I wonder if you could find me a study where players perform better under particular managers because of their more motivating style, or even a quote from a player displaying their dissatisfaction with DT.

Our pitching is still mediocre, we're allowing 5.45 runs per game, that's not good enough to win consistently.

[JTrea81]

What do you mean by "accepting losing"? As Tony said, Trembley HATES to lose. He wants to win every time he manages a game.

You sure could fool me by his press conferences. He looks defeated now, like losing has become second nature...

[hihop07]

"We added Dick Hill" -

I had to laugh. It's Rich, not Dick.

[Khaezh12]

You sure could fool me by his press conferences. He looks defeated now, like losing has become second nature...

He looks defeated after a loss? Strange.....

[osfan83]

Really? I hadn't realized.

You miss the point. People have unrealistic expectations for the major league team. When things go poorly, they look for someone to blame. There were thousands of posts complaining about Eaton, Hendrickson and Walker when it really didn't matter. If they had been major league average we'd have 1 or 2 more wins. And then?

Two of them are gone and the other has such a reduced role it doesn't matter so now folks need to find someone else to vent on and we're now set for a summer full of debate about DT.

Our record wouldn't be much different with Earl Weaver. We don't have the talent to win a lot of games. If we're still scuffling after more talent arrives then lets debate. Until then, it isn't worth it (IMO).

On the offensive side who else needs to be replaced? Mora, ok, Izturis is injured, but I feel most everything else is in place. I don't expect Wieters, Reimold and Jones to be playing to their potential yet, but I do expect this team, with it's current players to be able to play average ball. I expect the following players, right now to play at close to a .500 level:

Guthrie
Koji
Bergeson

The pen

Wieters
Huff
Roberts
Markakis
Jones
Reimold
Scott
Wigginton
Izturis (When healthy)

I understand we are waiting on more starting pitching, and when our starters give up 7 in 4 innings, I shrug my shoulders and say help is coming. But when our starters pitch well, and our pen is solid, we should be winning our share of those games, and currently we are not.

[Moose Milligan]

You sure could fool me by his press conferences. He looks defeated now, like losing has become second nature...

Apparently you missed the part where Tony said he Trembley won't take his team to task in front of the press.

It's cool dude, I know you'll keep believing what you want without looking at anything on the contrary.

[PaulFolk]

You sure could fool me by his press conferences. He looks defeated now, like losing has become second nature...

Consider yourself fooled. I haven't noticed any kind of defeated expression from Trembley. Maybe he's a bit less jokey after a loss instead of a win, but defeated? No.

[Mashed Potatoes]

You sure could fool me by his press conferences. He looks defeated now, like losing has become second nature...

That's why the press conferences are for the public, what DT actually says when he addresses the players in the clubhouse...is for the players.

"We added Dick Hill" -

I had to laugh. It's Rich, not Dick.

Richard Joseph Hill. Dick is a nickname for Richard. Start calling him Dick, it's funny because dick is also another word for penis, and penises have to do with sex.