Angelos declined Ripken's offer to join team

[Tank]

I'm holding out for more information before I make any snap judgements on this one. I hope it isn't true.

[dan-O]

Rick Pitino, anyone?

Larry Bird is not walking through that door, fans. Kevin McHale is not walking through that door, and Robert Parish is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old. What we are is young, exciting, hard-working, and we're going to improve. People don't realize that, and as soon as they realize those three guys are not coming through that door, the better this town will be for all of us because there are young guys in that (locker) room playing their asses off. I wish we had $90 million under the salary cap. I wish we could buy the world. We can't; the only thing we can do is work hard, and all the negativity that's in this town sucks.

Cal Ripken isn't walking through that door, guys. And even if he does, he's not going to magically save the franchise. Just win ballgames.

[Miller192]

What really happened is that Roenthal is making up stuff again.

What I would like to see asked is why does rosenthal make up stories?

Do you have any evidence or links of him making stuff up in the past? Not being a smartass, just asking.

[carolinaoriole]

Do you have any evidence or links of him making stuff up in the past? Not being a smartass, just asking.

Read his stories and then see what happens.
I can not remember the player, but a couple of years ago he claimed that the braves had signed a shortstop.
The Braves publicly denied it, and the gm of the Braves claimed that the story was a total fabrication.
The player later signed with the Dodgers.

Who is he accountable to?
Where is his sources ?
Where is his proof ?
He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.
Is Journalism dead.
Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?
It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

[rooster1]

Can we please make a new thread if this story is ever verified by Cal, PA, or AM?? Not that this isn't a good thread or anything it would just be nice to hear the actual confirmed facts instead of surfing through 11 pages of speculation.

With that being said, I really, really, really hope this isn't true. . . definitely the lowest point in O's baseball over the last 12 years. .

[BaltimoreTerp]

Read his stories and then see what happens.
I can not remember the player, but a couple of years ago he claimed that the braves had signed a shortstop.
The Braves publicly denied it, and the gm of the Braves claimed that the story was a total fabrication.
The player later signed with the Dodgers.

Who is he accountable to?
Where is his sources ?
Where is his proof ?
He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.
Is Journalism dead.
Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?
It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

Not to defend Rosenthal, but apparently if you were in charge of Journalism there wouldn't be a single writer left. Because I guarantee every one of them has a story just like that.

[crissfan172]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

Hey...he has confidence in the team!

[treasure07]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

So...... Angelos actually told Cal that he did not want Cal to take the credit? I don't know about you but that's an insult to Cal. If I were Cal, I'd be royally pissed about that!

And here is the thing I don't get.... why were there two conversations with Cal? One with MacPhail and one with Angelos? I would imagine they would be sitting down together in the same room having the meeting, right?

[crissfan172]

So...... Angelos actually told Cal that he did not want Cal to take the credit? I don't know about you but that's an insult to Cal. If I were Cal, I'd be royally pissed about that!

Well sure...but ya see...he said, "when we return to prominence" not if. Doesn't that make you happy a little?

[GoldGlove21]

Who is he accountable to?

His employer, we may not like him, but the guy knows what he is doing.

Where is his sources ?

A journalist never gives up their sources, because that would be an end of the information flow.

Where is his proof ?

Sources are not proof, he doesn't need proof he just needs to be reasonably certain that 90% of the details are accurate.

He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.

This isn't some guy running his own blog, this is a guy who has been in the industry a long time. If Peter Gammons cranks out a story for ESPN do you believe it?

Is Journalism dead.

The internet probably aided this mindset. Information is released so quickly that double checking your sources and gathering more info is bypassed in order to be the first to break the story.

Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?

How does the Sun prove their stories? Talk to a witness of two? That is still not proof. Unless something is recorded or documented from the original source then proof is useless. Proof is what you need to put a criminal behind bars, in journalism you just need credible sources which I am sure he had.

It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

Why is this so hard to believe for folks. Peter Angelos single handedly ran this team into the ground. Given a chance to help the team he declines due to his ego. News flash Peter, Cal Ripken is one of the main reasons why your attendance went down by almost 2 million over the last 7 years. Thanks for making the game of baseball harder than it needs to be.

[carolinaoriole]

Who is he accountable to?

His employer, we may not like him, but the guy knows what he is doing.

Where is his sources ?

A journalist never gives up their sources, because that would be an end of the information flow.

Where is his proof ?

Sources are not proof, he doesn't need proof he just needs to be reasonably certain that 90% of the details are accurate.

He cranks out a story and folks just buy it.

This isn't some guy running his own blog, this is a guy who has been in the industry a long time. If Peter Gammons cranks out a story for ESPN do you believe it?

Is Journalism dead.

The internet probably aided this mindset. Information is released so quickly that double checking your sources and gathering more info is bypassed in order to be the first to break the story.

Should he not have to prove the story and not just print rumor?

How does the Sun prove their stories? Talk to a witness of two? That is still not proof. Unless something is recorded or documented from the original source then proof is useless. Proof is what you need to put a criminal behind bars, in journalism you just need credible sources which I am sure he had.

It is like entertainment tonight!!!!

Why is this so hard to believe for folks. Peter Angelos single handedly ran this team into the ground. Given a chance to help the team he declines due to his ego. News flash Peter, Cal Ripken is one of the main reasons why your attendance went down by almost 2 million over the last 7 years. Thanks for making the game of baseball harder than it needs to be.

Dude!!!
Peter Gammons is worse than little kenny!!!!!!!!
He is like the king !!!
Why do peoiple just blindly believe this junk ????
It is like the tooth fairy
All I am saying is look at the track record of Rosenthal the infamous ax grinder with a huge grain of salt.

[JayThomas]

Angelos, however, nixed the idea in a separate conversation with Ripken, telling him, according to three sources, that he did not want Ripken to receive credit once the team returned to prominence.

I'm sorry, I just find this a little bit incredible. Outside of MacPhail, there were three sources in the conversation between Angelos and Ripken who ALL reported this to Rosenthal???? Are you kidding me? Maybe three different persons told this to Rosenthal, but if Andy MacPhail isn't in the room, who the hell else is in there with Big Pete and Cal?

[carolinaoriole]

Not to defend Rosenthal, but apparently if you were in charge of Journalism there wouldn't be a single writer left. Because I guarantee every one of them has a story just like that.

A made up story??

[GoldGlove21]

Dude!!!
Peter Gammons is worse than little kenny!!!!!!!!
He is like the king !!!
Why do peoiple just blindly believe this junk ????
It is like the tooth fairy
All I am saying is look at the track record of Rosenthal the infamous ax grinder with a huge grain of salt.

I will in the same manner that I look at the way the Orioles run thier organization with a huge grain of salt. Rosenthal is a much better journalist than the Orioles are a baseball team at this point. I might not trust either one, but it seems that a lot of people have beef with the Orioles. We are a crap organization right now and it is hard for me to say that. Nothing Angelos could do or say would shock me right now.

I will say this, even Rosenthal just cooked this up it was a good one! Nothing will get Orioles fans upset more than Cal being rejected. If it brings about change for the better then I do not care if it was true or not. I have a new promotion, instead of giving away magnet schedules to the first 25,000 fans they should give away wins. Wait they are already doing that!!!

[jets4ever]

Actually, this one does surprise me.

PA has always liked Cal and understands his value to the city...If he did indeed do this, I will be surprised.

It seems he may not.