I'm slow to judge, but Trembley officially lost me tonight

[Arthur_Bryant]

Totally agree...I almost wouldn't be surprised to see him resign.

He won't resign unless a financial deal is worked out beforehand. Otherwise, quitting would void his contract (releasing Orioles from their obligation).

[dan-O]

Watching this moribund team tonight, it is apparent that a change is needed. It feels very much like the O's felt right before Mazzilli and Perlozzo each got the axe. Trembley just sat there stone-faced while Julio Lugo trotted down the 1B line instead of running out a grounder. The same when the O's made no effort to advance a leadoff runner on 2B to 3rd -- twice. Then to top it off, he left DH out there in total disregard of the signs that he had run out of gas.

I've defended DT over and over again, and cautioned against blaming him for the team's lack of talent, untimely hitting or poor pitching. But let me say this as clearly as I can:

The Dave Trembley sitting in the dugout tonight was not the guy who took over from Sam Perlozzo in June 2007. That Dave Trembley had no problem forcing the team to take infield practice on road trips, or calling out players who were late getting to the clubhouse, or doing what he could to get his players to act like winners. This Dave Trembley looks resigned to defeat. And so, even though he can hardly be blamed for everything going on with this team, he needs to go. Soon.

I am like the biggest DT supporter and I completely agree. It's like he knows he's gone already. I realize that most of the time the blame falls on the players, but if you're not even doing every (small) thing in your power as manager to help the situation - give a bunt sign, for example - then what the hell are you doing?

Frobby, this the was the game for me too. I'm officially ready for a change, and I never thought I'd say that.

[ccbird]

Of course this is going to turn into another DT bashing thread by people who don't understand the game that well but I'll restate what I said in the other thread. Everybody is just waiting for the hammer to drop. The fans, the players, and DT all know it's coming. It's not a matter of if but when at this point. It's been that way for a week now. I've always been a DT supporter and think he is a competent manager who has had a lot of bad players and bad luck during his tenure but it's time to move on. The mental focus and toughness isn't there to do the things this team needs to do to start winning ballgames with any consistency. The sooner the better.

[PBR Street Gang]

Let's face it, Trembley could call Jones an idiot at the top of his lungs like most of us do every time he makes an out swinging at the first pitch or striking out on a pitch outside the strike zone, but I doubt Jones would stop doing "the stupid" even if Joe Torre or Jim Leyland were manager. Who else are we gonna put in center? Nick? Maybe that ain't such a bad idea.

This team ain't gonna hit if we have to count on the likes of Luke Scott(who increasing is reminding me of Jay Gibbons with his incessant pop ups and the goofy "screwing himself into the ground" motion while he tries to find the ball), Reimold (who looks at waaaaaaay too many 3rd strike fastballs right down the middle. I mean WTF? Protect the plate Nolan, hello), and Atkins(who seems to have warning track power at best).

Lugo "not hustling" isn't the problem with this team. It's lack of hitting. Even the stat savants would have to agree with that. Then again they're all avoiding this thread like the plague because discussing a concept like "hustle" to them is like speaking Portuguese to a Bedouin.

[SteveA]

https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~e...kite_1968.html

[crissfan172]

I can't imagine seeing Trembley in the dugout in Baltimore ever again. I think at this point, AM has to be looking at possible replacements. I don't think he has much of a choice at this point.

[RShack]

It will be interesting to see how many people climb on here...

[bluedog]

Of course this is going to turn into another DT bashing thread by people who don't understand the game that well but I'll restate what I said in the other thread. Everybody is just waiting for the hammer to drop. The fans, the players, and DT all know it's coming. It's not a matter of if but when at this point. It's been that way for a week now. I've always been a DT supporter and think he is a competent manager who has had a lot of bad players and bad luck during his tenure but it's time to move on. The mental focus and toughness isn't there to do the things this team needs to do to start winning ballgames with any consistency. The sooner the better.

DT has done nothing during his tenure with the O's to suggest he's even an average manager, much less a competent one. Tonights game (not pulling Hernandez when he was obviously done, not holding Lugo responsible for caring enough to run to first base, making weak excuses for his player in the news conference) are Trembley's entire tenure with the O's in a microcosm.

There is a lot of talent on this team and Trembley simply hasn't been able to find a way to get the players to play to their full potential. Make all the excuses you want about managers not being responsible for how the players play, but there are some managers who are consistently successful wherever they go - so they must have some positive impact on the teams they coach. Trembley isn't that guy.

[24fps]

We need someone from outside the organization, ASAP.

More than one someone IMO. I think a top-to-bottom coaching staff housecleaning would be extraordinarily beneficial. I wish I were confident it would happen...

[Big Mac]

More than one someone IMO. I think a top-to-bottom coaching staff housecleaning would be extraordinarily beneficial. I wish I were confident it would happen...

I pretty much agree although I really like Kranitz. I would keep him.

[bluedog]

I pretty much agree although I really like Kranitz. I would keep him.

Hard to argue with what Kranitz has done thus far this year. Berken and Hernandez both seem to be responding well to his tutelage.

[ccbird]

DT has done nothing during his tenure with the O's to suggest he's even an average manager, much less a competent one. Tonights game (not pulling Hernandez when he was obviously done, not holding Lugo responsible for caring enough to run to first base, making weak excuses for his player in the news conference) are Trembley's entire tenure with the O's in a microcosm.

There is a lot of talent on this team and Trembley simply hasn't been able to find a way to get the players to play to their full potential. Make all the excuses you want about managers not being responsible for how the players play, but there are some managers who are consistently successful wherever they go - so they must have some positive impact on the teams they coach. Trembley isn't that guy.

Your wrong, but it doesn't matter at this point. Not that I've really ever took much time to explain baseball to most DT bashers but I'm certainly not going to do it now. It's over for him, and I'm as ready as anybody else for the next guy.

[24fps]

I pretty much agree although I really like Kranitz. I would keep him.

I could be talked into keeping Kranitz unless Tony LaRussa absolutely insisted on bringing Dave Duncan with him.

[Big Mac]

Hard to argue with what Kranitz has done thus far this year. Berken and Hernandez both seem to be responding well to his tutelage.

And it's not just this year, I would say the majority of our young arms have made tremendous strides over the past couple seasons under Kranitz.

I would be very hesitant to do something that might screw up the overall positive development of our young pitchers.

[JTrea81]

I could be talked into keeping Kranitz unless Tony LaRussa absolutely insisted on bringing Dave Duncan with him.

Yeah, I back up the Brinks truck this offseason for LaRussa. We need a manager that has won titles at the ML level.

We should have gone after him last offseason, but he'll be a FA again after 2010...