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04-21-2010 09:06 AM #76Norfolk
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04-21-2010 09:07 AM #77
Why can't we just pull the MLB equivalent of a mulligan and fire Trembley, cut Atkins and Lugo, and just refuse to cary any more dead weight? Other organizations do not tolerate this level of productivity. In most other places, if you can't produce, you'll be replaced by someone who can.
04-21-2010 09:07 AM #78Plus Member Since 5/10 All-Star
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04-21-2010 09:08 AM #79
Basically, Trembley is here because of his ability to work with and help our younger players progress towards reaching their full potential. When I have been able to watch games this year... it has only been through the opponents feed, so I don't get the close up shots of DT that you all may get.
My biggest concern now... and I admit this is something that should have been a concern in the past - is that his inability during the game to council (it doesn't even need to be a good chewwing out) vet players who don't run out balls or make just silly baserunning/fielding/pitching errors will begin to have a long term negative impact on player developement of our younger players.
If he is failing to even react to these problems during game play... I agree that its time for DT to go - for the good of our young players.
04-21-2010 09:21 AM #80
I think Dave decided to instead go with plan B, which was to try to be everybody's friend, and hope they would listen because they liked him. That rarely works.
It's a shame, because I think most people like DT as a person and want him to succeed, but, yeah, it's time for a change.
04-21-2010 09:26 AM #81
I believe I'm done with Trembley also. I am sick of watching Oriole hitters run half-heartedly to first base. They've done this for years, and it is indicative of the culture of losing and failure that accompanies this team.
Show effort on the little things, and then you might convince me you care about the big ones.
I remember Jimmy Rollins getting publicly fined not long ago for not running out a grounder. Imagine, the NL MVP getting fined by his manager! Rollins manned up and admitted he was wrong. I bet our players would admit the same if we had a manager, and system, that demanded 100% effort. Either play hard or you don't play.
When an infielder knows that the batter is going to be running all-out to first, a throw might be rushed, a ball might be muffed, all because they know they have a limited time to make their play. When they know Roberts, Lugo or whomever else (fill in the blank) will be trotting his way down, they know they have plenty of time and can be as careful as necessary. You cannot tell me that effort and good/bad breaks don't have some correlation that can contribute to your win/loss record.
I for one am sick of following a team that doesn't care enough to run out grounders. Get a manager in here who demands effort, all the time, out of everyone.
04-21-2010 09:30 AM #82Aberdeen
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With an off day tomorrow I predict Dave Trembley's flight goes to Baltimore and not to Boston...New Manager hired by Tuesday.
Lets just hope its Dave Martinez from Tampa Bay
04-21-2010 09:31 AM #83Norfolk
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It is unfair for anyone, including MacPhail, to expect DT to turn a switch and suddenly be a hard ass manager.
It is time to get a new voice in the dugout. It may not do much, but the time is now. I expect tonight is DT's last night. I think AM has had someone in the wings for a while.
04-21-2010 09:34 AM #84
One thing to consider here, would it be fair to any new manager or even an interim manager to start off facing the Yankees and Red Sox for 12 straight games with this team?
Everyone knows I've been a big supporter of Dave, but I certainly understand there comes a time when change is necessary. I didn't see the game last night but I do find the Lugo situation last night to be disturbing, especially considering his response to Thirne when questioned about the situation.
Dave might just be shell-shocked at this point. No one could have predicted a complete melt down by the offense led by the loss of their leadoff man Roberts and followed up by a cold spell by almost every single hitter. No one could have predicted their closer would be terrible then hurt, and a guy who was counted on to be a staple in their bullpen (Koji) would be out all year so far (ok, maybe we could have guessed 'ol Softi-san would miss some time). No one would have guessed that Bergesen was not going to be anywhere near where he was last year (shoulder?) or that Tillman's command would digress.
All of those things have conspired to doom the Orioles this year and ultimately will probably doom Trembley and possibly his staff. I agree with Drungo that Trembley is a pretty conventional manager and to me, he's done a pretty good job with some pretty dismal talent over the last few years. However, no organization can accept losing at this pace, especially when the home crowds have been dismal and now the core fans, such as ones on here are reaching their breaking points.
Trembley might be relieved of his duties soon, and it might even be the right thing to do under the old "change for change sake is good," but if he is let go, it will not be becuase he didn't care or that he didn't prepare as best as he could.
In the end something will probably happen because the natives are demanding a sacrifice and Trembley in the sacrificial lamb position of being a manager on the last year of his contract on the worse team in baseball right now.
04-21-2010 09:39 AM #85
It seems to me like the team needs a jolt, and it is easier to change one person than the entire roster. Unfortunately, that implies that the manager needs to go.
Oh, if the team isn't hitting, shouldn't Crowley be worried about his phone ringing too?
04-21-2010 09:40 AM #86
It just doesn't work in all places at all times.
04-21-2010 09:41 AM #87
DT seemed like the kind of guy we're looking for right now when he took over the team, taking infield practice, calling out miggi for lack of hustle, etc... What happened to that guy? He makes Ray Miller look like Ozzie Guillen in the dugout. Teams typically take on the mentality of their skipper and it's clear this team has done just that. I don't know who the right manager is for this team. But it's clear DT is not the right guy today.
04-21-2010 09:43 AM #88Released Released
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04-21-2010 09:44 AM #89
04-21-2010 09:44 AM #90
Now Frobby coming out and saying the same makes it OK somehow.
Thing is, everyone who was speaking their opinion a week ago saying DT should be fired were getting criticized for it.