I'm slow to judge, but Trembley officially lost me tonight

[tennOsfan]

Just for RShack's benefit, I got on the board this morning with the intention of posting exactly what I posted in this thread. I simply added my thoughts to the thread Frobby started.

I am not a sheep.

[waroriole]

What a shocker, RShack is bad mouthing people for their opinions. What's next OldFan saying Markakis is overrated, or JTrea wanting to trade for a power bat.

[SilentJames]

Fair enough, but were you watching last night when Lugo walked 3/4 of the way to first, walked back to the dugout, and Trembley sat there looking about as interested as I did at my income tax preparation appointment. I think that is why alot of people are calling for his head today, not because of Frobby. And if you did see that and don't think he should be fired then I don't know what else to say really.

I saw Trembley standing on rail with a lineup card. I honestly thought he was thinking about taking Lugo out. Maybe he didn't want to expose Turner to a lefty?He didn't look "disinterested" it actually looked like he was thinking about something while looking at his cards.

[RShack]

Fair enough, but were you watching last night when Lugo walked 3/4 of the way to first, walked back to the dugout, and Trembley sat there looking about as interested as I did at my income tax preparation appointment. I think that is why alot of people are calling for his head today, not because of Frobby. And if you did see that and don't think he should be fired then I don't know what else to say really.

I don't think DT's reaction to Lugo warrants firing the manager.
I do think that the pitching is good, the games are mostly close, and there is nothing wrong that a few hits and fewer injuries won't fix. I do not believe a new manager will either cure injuries or end slumps. Maybe you do, but I don't...

[Dwight Schrute]

I saw Trembley standing on rail with a lineup card. I honestly thought he was thinking about taking Lugo out. Maybe he didn't want to expose Turner to a lefty?He didn't look "disinterested" it actually looked like he was thinking about something while looking at his cards.

Not what it looked like to me but either way if he actually did go through that thought process and decided not to put Turner in because of that versus sending the message to the team that he doesn't tolerate things like that then I think that is even worse.

[SilentJames]

I don't think DT's reaction to Lugo warrants firing the manager.
I do think that the pitching is good, the games are mostly close, and there is nothing wrong that a few hits and fewer injuries won't fix. I do not believe a new manager will either cure injuries or end slumps. Maybe you do, but I don't...

And you are probably right. If the bats wake up and the Orioles go on a 10 for 15 run and we are sitting here at 12-18 in a couple weeks we can look at this debate and it would be silly.

But, the team is showing no signs of life right now and, like it or not, this is a situation where people lose their jobs. You can only defend Dave so much and he fell in my esteem when he didn't get on Lugo last night.

[Yard Bird]

Any chance they have Trembley on "Wired Wednesday" tonight? It has the potential to be the best interview of the year.

[Dwight Schrute]

I don't think DT's reaction to Lugo warrants firing the manager.
I do think that the pitching is good, the games are mostly close, and there is nothing wrong that a few hits and fewer injuries won't fix. I do not believe a new manager will either cure injuries or end slumps. Maybe you do, but I don't...

No, you're right, a team full of young guys should definitely get the impression that its fine to not hustle or play the game the right way. Perfectly acceptable. A few hits and all will be fine.

[Dwight Schrute]

Any chance they have Trembley on "Wired Wednesday" tonight? It has the potential to be the best interview of the year.

I hope the new manager has the autonomy to get rid of things like this completely. Can you imagine what Weaver would say if they asked him to be miked up during a game talking to Thorne about jibberish?

[Sports Guy]

Last 5 seasons(AL rankings):

2005:

10th in runs...42 runs worse than league average
5th in OPS...7 points above league average
8th in OBP...3 points below league average

2006:

10th in runs...36 runs worse than league average
9th in OPS...13 points worse than league average
8th in OBP...league average

2007:

9th in runs...38 runs worse than league average
10th in OPS....14 points below league average
9th in OBP...5 points below league average

2008:

8th in runs...7 more than league average
8th in OPS...7 points above league average
8th in OBP...2 poitns below league average

2009:

11th in runs...40 runs below league average
10th in OPS..16 points below league average
8th in OBP...3 points below league average

That's just the last 5 years...How is that solid?

Are there any other hitting coaches that would last with this recent record?

[TinCup]

Are there any other hitting coaches that would last with this recent record?

Angelos must really love TC. Only explanation.

[Greg Pappas]

I can assure RShack or anyone else that neither Frobby, nor any other poster/columnist here at the Hangout or elsewhere- can single-handedly influence my views on a matter to the point I "suddenly" switch my views or "bandwagon" upon a topic.

Frobby is my favorite poster, as I imagine he is with many others here... and I submit that his views on matters do tend to grab my attention.

It just so happens that because:
**he shares my own views on the vast majority of matters...
**takes care with his words and his views...
**researches his opinions quite well, when necessary...
**is most often even-handed in his judgments...

...he has earned a great deal of my admiration and respect. Hence his 'voice' carries a bit more weight than most.

That's just one man's take.


Regarding Trembley, he and the rest of the staff should be replaced as soon as possible, and this team given a new vision, sense of respect and direction. My stance on this will not change... unless Frobby says so.

[clapdiddy]

Are there any other hitting coaches that would last with this recent record?

I hear what you are saying, but I can't solely blame Crowley for this. It's also very dependent on the hitters that we bring to this team.

We've brought in a lot of guys who are hackers with mediocre OBP, which is more important than any other offensive statistic.

I don't blame Crowley for that.

[RShack]

And you are probably right. If the bats wake up and the Orioles go on a 10 for 15 run and we are sitting here at 12-18 in a couple weeks we can look at this debate and it would be silly.

But, the team is showing no signs of life right now and, like it or not, this is a situation where people lose their jobs.

I agree that if the complete lack of hitting continues, the manager pays the price. That's just what happens. But people here are talking like he's a dead man, and are saying that he won't get the chance to have the bats wake up, that his firing is already a done deal, everybody knows it, yada-yada. They're also saying that he's fine with losing, the team has given up, etc., etc., despite the fact that the P is fine, the games are close, etc. People are saying lots of dumb stuff...

[Dipper9]

Watching this moribund team tonight, it is apparent that a change is needed. It feels very much like the O's felt right before Mazzilli and Perlozzo each got the axe. Trembley just sat there stone-faced while Julio Lugo trotted down the 1B line instead of running out a grounder. The same when the O's made no effort to advance a leadoff runner on 2B to 3rd -- twice. Then to top it off, he left DH out there in total disregard of the signs that he had run out of gas.

I've defended DT over and over again, and cautioned against blaming him for the team's lack of talent, untimely hitting or poor pitching. But let me say this as clearly as I can:

The Dave Trembley sitting in the dugout tonight was not the guy who took over from Sam Perlozzo in June 2007. That Dave Trembley had no problem forcing the team to take infield practice on road trips, or calling out players who were late getting to the clubhouse, or doing what he could to get his players to act like winners. This Dave Trembley looks resigned to defeat. And so, even though he can hardly be blamed for everything going on with this team, he needs to go. Soon.

I agree 100%. Him sitting there and doing nothing during that Lugo exchange, and not even seeming to care at all about it, was the final straw for me. Meanwhile Palmer and Gary were just going crazy about it. How can we all be SO fed up with this team, and yet Trembley and the coaching staff just sits there doing nothing? I wouldn't be surprised if they all (the coaching staff) know they are gone very very soon.