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El Gordo

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  1. 55 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

    We know this is going to be a cold, soulless, "screw the fans" process.

    But what is "acceptable" for the end result?

    World Series champions?

    Playoff contenders every year Elias is here after the "rebuild" is done?

    Fighting for first in the East, even if they fall short a few times?

    .500 or better and you are happy? 

    Anything in between? 

    Playoff contenders every year Elias is here after the "rebuild" is done.

  2. On 11/27/2019 at 9:16 PM, Philip said:

    I’m a bit unclear on the motive. Ten million isn’t nothing, but the difference between what it and what the Orioles were willing to pay can’t any be any more than the guaranteed 3 mill they gave Chris Tillman to throw 30+ embarrassing innings.

    On the other hand, it’s quite clear that no one else wanted him under the same financial constraints, so it’s obvious that the team is correct. Villar ISNT worth ten million. Else someone would give it to him. The waiver gamble, as I understand it, is that a team WILL give it to him, because claiming him off waivers means they claim the arbitration obligations too, right?(if that’s NOT right please LMK.)

    So, Occam’s Razor says they are hoping to resign him at a much lower wage, because letting him go for nothing to save a couple mill is illogical. But they are willing to risk losing him completely and this move makes it clear to his agent how the wind blows.

    I’m pretty sure Elias laid some ground rules when he took the job and being cheap just to be cheap is one of his dealbreakers.

    So I’m willing to wait and see what happens.

    BTW this probably guarantees an infielder Rule 5 pick 

    This makes some sense too me.

  3. 4 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

    I was in the stands at Memorial Stadium for Mussina's 1st MLB win.  The first game I saw in person involved Carl Yastrzemski and Don Stanhouse.

    I think @El Gordo was there when Matt Kilroy struck out his 500th batter of the 1886 season.

    I did see Killroy's 500 K but it was in a prior life. In this life I saw my first game in 1955. Willy Miranda was at SS, Gus Triandos was at 1B, Hal Smith was catching,  Dave Philly was in LF, Brooks was at 3B, and RF Hoot Evers hit a HR.

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  4. On 10/8/2019 at 4:43 PM, Greg Pappas said:

    LF:  Mountcastle (Dwight Smith, Jr may start the season here)
    CF:  Hays
    RF:  Santander
    4th OF:  Smith, Jr... maybe? Ugh  

    IMHO, DJ Stewart, barring notable defensive improvement, should not see the outfield.

    Mountcastle (someone needs a nickname :P ... 'Mount' maybe? ) will likely see time at 1B as well.

    Our choices at this juncture seem quite limited.  However if Hays and Santander continue to perform well, and Mountcastle can be decent defensively while hitting enough to justify his spot, then this OF may be pretty solid.  


    Two suggestions: the Mounty or the rook.

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  5. 3 minutes ago, John Welch said:

    I'd rather go all in as do it halfway. I don't see any reason to try to become an 81 win team. 

    And you could say "it's one guy, likely $6-7 million. They have the money" which is true but it's still not an all in approach. 

    I hope Elias gets an offer he wants for Givens, Mancini and Villar and all are gone, even though I know what that will do to the MLB record next year. And if that's what Elias is trying to do, how does it make sense to bring in an incremental improvement at short when that guy is gone in a year or 2?

    What seems more possible is finding some guy languishing in the minor leagues who takes advantage of an opportunity like some guys did this year. 

    He made 2.5 M last season. He was 85 OPS+. Doubt he makes that much. I doubt he is offered much for Givens, and won't trade Mancini. He probably trades Villar, which is why I'd like Iglesias. We'll see.

  6. Just now, John Welch said:

    I think the focus is more on development rather than bringing in a stop gap. I understand the idea that fans would feel better winning a few more games but IMO, if the choice is to bring in a guy who won't be here in 2 years OR bring in 2-3 guys in A+ or AA who might be a part of the future, I think Elias is going to go the second route 100% of the time for now.

    Why does one preclude the other?

  7. 7 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

    I don't disagree, but Schoop has a third baseman's arm.  He probably had one of the better second baseman's arms I've seen.  Mountcastle doesn't, and he's never played second.  It just seems unlikely.

    Not arguing for Mountcastle just contesting the notion that 2B has to be BRob/Altuve types.

  8. 5 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

    I don't have any insight into the Orioles' decisions and processes, but Mountcastle is 6' 3".  Here's a complete list of all players 6' 3" or taller who've played 500+ games at second in major league history: Ben Zobrist, DJ LeMahieu, Neil Walker, Mike Andrews, Don Kolloway.

    Maybe this is a unfounded prejudice based on old information.  Probably it's because second basemen are selected in part for their quickness, agility and footwork around the bag while turning the double play.  Most players 6' 3" or taller aren't know for their ballerina-like moves.  

    I'd at least entertain the idea that with the newer rules against takeout slides maybe teams would rethink the prioritization of agility in a second baseman.  But I still doubt the Orioles want to experiment with maybe their best hitting prospect getting his legs swept at a position he has never played as a pro.

    (Edit: RC Gonzales and Ryan Flaherty are both 6' 3", so it looks like having a very tall second baseman could be key to having an out-of-nowhere Cinderella season in Baltimore)

    Schoop was only 6'2"' but built like a linebacker, and while not exactly balletic nobody turned the DP better IMO.









  9. 8 minutes ago, atomic said:

    Rutschman would make more sense to keep than trading straight up for Trout.   Trout is 28 and has 11 more year on his contract at $35 million a year.   Rutschman will be making major league minimum for first 3 years. Adding Trout to last year's team puts us at 64 wins.   

    Trout could be the best all around player in baseball history and should have at least another 6-8 productive years.  He wont make a difference next year but he could in 2021 and beyond.

  10. 1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

    In here to say Iglesias first!!!!!

    I'm with you. We could put Alberto art 3B and Villar at 2B. With Mancini at 1B that's a decent IF. Also picking up a MOR SP cheap and someone who could close would be great.

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