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25 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That was for a full season, not 60 games.  Also Puig isn't a need like a SS was.

Who cares how many games we play this year. We would get control over a higher quality player for the same money. It's a great opportunity. OF is most definitely a need as long as Dwight Smith Jr. is on the roster. 

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28 minutes ago, weams said:
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115.9 89.6 95.8 84.3 468 164 405 100 44.1 30 13.2 8.1

There’s a problem with this chart, I can’t find a single Orioles until #70 🤣

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5 hours ago, ScGO's said:

The one's that say he's averaged only 1.86 WAR since 2015, after he busted onto the scene in 2013-2014.  And that includes a 3.4 WAR 2017.  His dWAR has also been in the negatives the last two seasons. Only a .330 OBP and .792 OPS since the end of 2014 as well, so not much of an on base guy, nor an elite power hitter.  Not bad, but I just don't think he's worth spending money on in a rebuild.  There's been reports too that he's a hot head and not the best teammate

That's what worries me.

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1 hour ago, VaBird1 said:

There’s a problem with this chart, I can’t find a single Orioles until #70 🤣

I was surprised to see Nick Markakis and Manny Machado tied at an average of 91.2 mph, ranked #32 and #33, overall.

Shocked to see Mike Trout down at #50. Guess he has some extra special voodoo in his bat.

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2 minutes ago, Beef Supreme said:

I was surprised to see Nick Markakis and Manny Machado tied at an average of 91.2 mph, ranked #32 and #33, overall.

Shocked to see Mike Trout down at #50. Guess he has some extra special voodoo in his bat.

Those three caught my attention too

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IMO, the downside aspects of signing Puig are spending $ unnecessarily (if the move doesn't pan out at all), denying ABs to OF prospects and finishing a spot or two ahead of where we would be without Puig and drafting lower as a result.  That's about it for me on the downside.

The positive aspects IMO far outweigh those negatives.  Puig could catch fire and net a good amount in trade and he may stop the Os from putting someone in the OF who would appear to be completely overmatched (McKenna).  Puig may find the low-key nature of Bmore to be a great environment for him to succeed.  Puig is a legit major league bat who provides insurance in case Santander (or other) doesn't come back.  Puig may be somewhat of a warning to guys like McKenna to pick it up or we can drop many of the OF wannabes on our 40 man.

I hope Puig is one plus an option.  Teams may offer more in the offseason in trade and our OF situation is not going to improve dramatically between now and by the end of the shortened season.  

Count me in on Puig esp if it is a one plus option or a two year deal.

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On 7/11/2020 at 3:37 PM, Philip said:

Well in addition to the Smith-level guys Stewart, Mountcastle, McKenna( isn’t he close enough?) Mullins, and I’m drawing a blank after them, but that’s enough. We got 2 and one spot remaining for a corner and a backup. I have reservations about both MC and Stewart, but what better time to throw them into the fray than right now?

Puig won’t bring anything, and will take playing time away from guys who might be part of the future.

its much better to treat this season like an extended spring, and see what our guys can do.

Other than Mountcastle, none of those guys are major leaguers. And he can play a lot of 1B/DH. 

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24 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Other than Mountcastle, none of those guys are major leaguers. And he can play a lot of 1B/DH. 

I don’t disagree, but we have them, and no reason not give them some cuts and see if they can produce. I don’t have much enthusiasm for most of these guys( including MC, actually) but we have them, so why not let them play instead of signing Puig to no purpose?

he wouldn’t make a meaningful difference in w-l, he won’t become a desirable trade chip, and he will take playing time away from guys who need it, especially because there will be no minor league season. It’s The Show or nothing

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2 hours ago, hoosiers said:

IMO, the downside aspects of signing Puig are spending $ unnecessarily (if the move doesn't pan out at all), denying ABs to OF prospects and finishing a spot or two ahead of where we would be without Puig and drafting lower as a result.  That's about it for me on the downside.

The positive aspects IMO far outweigh those negatives.  Puig could catch fire and net a good amount in trade and he may stop the Os from putting someone in the OF who would appear to be completely overmatched (McKenna).  Puig may find the low-key nature of Bmore to be a great environment for him to succeed.  Puig is a legit major league bat who provides insurance in case Santander (or other) doesn't come back.  Puig may be somewhat of a warning to guys like McKenna to pick it up or we can drop many of the OF wannabes on our 40 man.

I hope Puig is one plus an option.  Teams may offer more in the offseason in trade and our OF situation is not going to improve dramatically between now and by the end of the shortened season.  

Count me in on Puig esp if it is a one plus option or a two year deal.

Good take. This is my opinion as well.

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On 7/11/2020 at 4:42 PM, Can_of_corn said:

If no one can predict the "probable market" then it probably isn't a good idea to spend money based on getting "something of value" from that market.

Sounds like a poor risk.

If the reason the Orioles sign Puig is based solely on return via trade, then it is very risky, for sure. But no one can declare that the unknown is a "poor risk." There were unknowns when we went to the Moon, but that didn't mean that trying to go was "probably (not) a good idea" and "a poor risk." I'm not saying that it is probable that Puig would return value beyond the salary the Orioles pay him. But since we can't guess at the variables, we can't confidently project the risk probabilities. The only variable that we can predict with confidence is that more players will see their seasons come to an end because of Covid-19 this season than last season. And that variable may increase teams' desperation to acquire talent through trades.

Besides whatever possible trade value there may be, there could be other motivations to sign Puig. Engaging the fans with a star may have value. Fans were excited when the Orioles signed Vlad, even though he was over-the-hill by that time. Tony Clark was buzzing last year about the Orioles constructing a lineup in bad faith; maybe they aim to hush him up with this signing and Iglesia's. Or maybe it's just an advertisement to current Cuban players: "Hey, we're the Orioles, if you haven't heard of us. We got Puig. You might like to join our team some day." Might be worth every penny right there.

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3 hours ago, Beef Supreme said:

If the reason the Orioles sign Puig is based solely on return via trade, then it is very risky, for sure. But no one can declare that the unknown is a "poor risk." There were unknowns when we went to the Moon, but that didn't mean that trying to go was "probably (not) a good idea" and "a poor risk." I'm not saying that it is probable that Puig would return value beyond the salary the Orioles pay him. But since we can't guess at the variables, we can't confidently project the risk probabilities. The only variable that we can predict with confidence is that more players will see their seasons come to an end because of Covid-19 this season than last season. And that variable may increase teams' desperation to acquire talent through trades.

Besides whatever possible trade value there may be, there could be other motivations to sign Puig. Engaging the fans with a star may have value. Fans were excited when the Orioles signed Vlad, even though he was over-the-hill by that time. Tony Clark was buzzing last year about the Orioles constructing a lineup in bad faith; maybe they aim to hush him up with this signing and Iglesia's. Or maybe it's just an advertisement to current Cuban players: "Hey, we're the Orioles, if you haven't heard of us. We got Puig. You might like to join our team some day." Might be worth every penny right there.

I'm not going to address unknowns due to the season getting cancelled, although that is a serious possibility, because accounting for that pushes you toward nihilistic decisions that I don't think are optimal if you're trying to build a sustainably winning organization.  However, any concerns about his trade value at the deadline are almost 100% mitigated by the fact that his pro-rata salary is only $4 million.  During a normal year he easily snags a 45 FV prospect if he performs.  If it's a normal year then you 100% make out like a bandit.  But even if it's not a normal year, you'd have to trade him for a complete non-prospect for it not to be worth it.  A 40+ FV prospect who ends up being a utility man will easily cover the $4 million price tag.  Ryan Friggin Flaherty was worth 13 million for us, while getting paid only 5.9 million in salary.  It shouldn't be terribly difficult to find a low prospect that ends up being Ryan Flaherty.

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10 hours ago, VaBird1 said:

There’s a problem with this chart, I can’t find a single Orioles until #70 🤣

Maybe the O's are part of the Wee Willie Keeler school of batting.  Hit 'em where they ain't.  Still working on the "where they ain't" part.

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8 hours ago, waroriole said:

Other than Mountcastle, none of those guys are major leaguers. And he can play a lot of 1B/DH. 

Yeah, there's 5 positions - with 3 OFers, 1st base, and DH.  There's NOBODY that would be blocked by Puig.  

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    • There are many ways to bring in good cheap talent with higher upside than Alberto or Ruiz  I don’t want a “lazy offseason” by the FO this year.  Start making some real long term moves instead of settling for sucking with guys who aren’t part of the future.
    • That's fine.  Its proven that the organization was a disaster before Elias (its not a lot better now because we are still owned by the same family but they are better nonetheless). But Phillip is using the words "he should have been given a chance".  I see zero evidence that they SHOULD have done anything besides what they actually did.  I also think there needs to be some accountability on the part of Yaz himself.  Maybe the Os wanted him to do things differently but he had plenty of time to show them what he could do and he failed.
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