Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Tony-OH

Breakout Prospect in 2021??

What prospect, not currently in the Top 30, will be next year?  

42 members have voted

  1. 1. What prospect, not currently in the Top 30, will be next year?

    • Stiven Acevedo - OF
    • Luis González - OF
    • Luis Ortiz – LHP
    • Erison Placencia – SS
    • Elio Prado – CF
    • Leonardo Rodriguez - RHP
    • Zach Watson - CF
    • Toby Welk - 3B
    • Jake Zebron - RHP
      0
    • Other - Mention in comments


Recommended Posts

Just as a follow up to our Beyond the Top 30 piece, who will be the prospect that is in the system now that is not in the top 30 (I added Hernandez and Basallo at #17 and #18), but will be in the end of season 2021 Top 30?

 

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Love this thread idea. I'm honestly more interested in your opinions than any drivel I throw out there. Lol.

  • Upvote 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The guy I'm rooting for is Toby Welk. I know nothing about him except he had good "data" coming out of a small school and then produced when he was old for his league. Then the already old prospect had to miss the Covid year. 

Would be awesome if he somehow turns out to be our surprise 3b of the future though. Crazier things have happened.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I said Welk too.  He's a good story, fairly advanced, and plays a position of need.  And, he's not someone that you're going to play clock games with.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
45 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Love this thread idea. I'm honestly more interested in your opinions than any drivel I throw out there. Lol.

Exactly. I want to go with Welk, simply because our 3B depth is so sparse, but I haven’t anything else on which to base the choice. Like so many Oriole Drafts, it’s throwing darts...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I actually picked Ortiz just based on what I recall as very positive reports from a year or more ago.

Zach Watson also just got engaged. Apparently I follow him on twitter. Another guy with decent pedigree that needs to play. If you told me he's a top 15 -20 prospect because he has plus CF defense and had an .830 OPS this year I wouldn't be totally shocked. It's that OPS thing that's in question, I think.

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Joey Ortiz is my breakout candidate to crack the top 30. He was singled out repeatedly in various interviews during and after instructs. 

Of those listed, I think Luis Gonzalez has a shot to be in the GCL this year. That LH power bat may just take off. 

Another sleeper guy to watch is Andrew Daschbach. 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I love what I’m reading, but I have no idea how much of what I’m reading is insightful information and sharing and how much of it is ignorant blather(no offense intended)

Who are the guys here who are really well-versed in the minors? I would like to sit next to your desk during the test.

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Acevedo, Ortiz, or Gonzales are all interesting picks if they can make the jump to the GCL this year, but I'll go with a wildcard in Raul Rangel. Here's a snippet from BA last summer:

"The Orioles added a promising mix of arms in their 2019 international signing class, including Rangel, a 6-foot-4, 155-pound righthander from Venezuela. It's a tall, extremely thin frame that should hold another 50 or more pounds and allow him to add significant velocity once that happens. He already throws relatively hard for 17, reaching 93 mph with the potential to throw in the mid-to-upper 90s eventually. He shows feel for a curveball and changeup as well, giving him the building blocks to be a starting pitcher."

  • Upvote 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, LookinUp said:

Love this thread idea. I'm honestly more interested in your opinions than any drivel I throw out there. Lol.

Haha, I'll give my thoughts in a bit, but I want to see what you guys are thinking!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, Vandy said:

Acevedo, Ortiz, or Gonzales are all interesting picks if they can make the jump to the GCL this year, but I'll go with a wildcard in Raul Rangel. Here's a snippet from BA last summer:

"The Orioles added a promising mix of arms in their 2019 international signing class, including Rangel, a 6-foot-4, 155-pound righthander from Venezuela. It's a tall, extremely thin frame that should hold another 50 or more pounds and allow him to add significant velocity once that happens. He already throws relatively hard for 17, reaching 93 mph with the potential to throw in the mid-to-upper 90s eventually. He shows feel for a curveball and changeup as well, giving him the building blocks to be a starting pitcher."

He's an interesting guy as well, just didn't know much about his control/command or the mechanics so it would e tough for him to jump on the scene unless he show up in the GCL and is pitching lights out with great stuff. then again, he's probably in the same class as Ortiz overall, just a lot of unknowns.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The international guys are most interesting to me. In theory one or two could come stateside and be top 10 prospects quickly if the hype matches the eye test. The few guys I wouldn't be surprised to also see added are:

Cumberland - could be our future backup catcher, which has value. Could see him in the 20-30 range at the end of of 2021 with a good year.

Mattson - another arm from the Bundy deal. We haven't seen him much yet. Wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to have Zimmermann like production.

The headliner in a Cobb/Santander/Mancini trade.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

The international guys are most interesting to me. In theory one or two could come stateside and be top 10 prospects quickly if the hype matches the eye test. The few guys I wouldn't be surprised to also see added are:

Cumberland - could be our future backup catcher, which has value. Could see him in the 20-30 range at the end of of 2021 with a good year.

Mattson - another arm from the Bundy deal. We haven't seen him much yet. Wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to have Zimmermann like production.

The headliner in a Cobb/Santander/Mancini trade.

I think the system is too deep for a backup catcher or middle reliever to make the list, which is a good thing. The days of needing to put potential backup catchers in the top 30 is hopefully behind us with the new found International pipeline adding to our 1st year player drafts and trades.

I could definitely see a headliner from Mancini or Santander trade getting on the list, but I think the Orioles would have to eat some of Cobb's contract to get something back from him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores
News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2020 Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2020 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats






  • Posts

    • It seems like that the only possible way that the O’s (or most teams for that matter) can compete is by building an elite farm system.  Given how hard and how slow that process is, I wanted to ask the O’s experts on here a few simple question for discussion:   1. how long would you estimate that it takes for a team to go from a mediocre/poor farm system, to a system that has produced enough major league talent to win in the AL east?  Additionally, how long in your opinion does the pro club need to suck while building the farm. 2. is there a team that you would prefer that the O’s model their approach after?  Is it Tampa?  Toronto? St. Louis?  I think the Tampa model is the most brutally efficient, but I can’t see many people truly being happy with that model in the long haul (getting rid of good players while value is high, rarely spending a dollar in FA). 3. do you like the financial model of baseball as opposed to other professional leagues?  Baseball has always been my favorite sport, but it really seems to favor the larger market teams in the end.  Not that smaller market teams can’t compete, it’s just that every year it seems the larger market teams win.  I know there are some poor large market orgs, but I personally get disinterested when I see how imbalanced the competitive landscape can be at times.  
    • Same chance of getting you a championship in 2022.
    • o   lllllllllllllllllllllll. (vs. MARINERS, 12:35 PM)       llllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll        llllllllllllllllllllll.l (vs. MARINERS, 4:05 PM)     llllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll    o
    • Contracts like Davis really hurts the game overall more than it hurts the individual team. Typically teams that have a bad contract just pick up and move on from the player...meanwhile the fans hold a grudge towards the player. Baltimore is doing a disservice to the game by not releasing him and moving on.
    • Yikes. Here's what the O's gave up in 24 hrs.:     WAR, 1991 ff.     Finley        43.5     Harnisch    17.6     Schilling    80.2     Tettleton    17.9     Total lost: 159.2 Davis        0.2     Robinson    -0.6     Total gained: -0.4         Total, net: 159.6 10 yrs    16 WAR/yr.     16 yrs.    10 WAR/yr.    
    • My wife and I went to Sunday's game with another couple and had a great time. A couple observations: - Bottom line up front is that I'd very much encourage folks to go. We've been relatively cautious during Covid, but really at no point felt cramped or uncomfortable. Certainly some of that is that now most of the folks I was with were fully vaccinated, but there's plenty of space in between seats and really not that many people. Even coming into the stadium and in concession lines, people were generally respectful of distance and it was no issue. I'm sure, anecdotally, there will always be someone messing up, but it wasn't an issue for us. Just wanted to start with that context for those that harbor understandable apprehensions, acknowledging everyone has different circumstances/risk perceptions. - Definitely make sure you read the modified regulations before you go - the issue with purses and parking, as some folks noted above, are definitely present. You've just got to be aware of them and plan (my wife switched out her purse just before leaving the house, and my friend's wife had a borderline-sized purse that got waved through after a little negotiation). I can't speak for parking, as we just did a garage on Pratt. - Mobile ticketing and electronic payments were all fully in use, so do recommend just coming prepared. If you're comfortable with using them, it's no issue, but understand some people aren't as tech savvy. Just a pretty minor planning factor. - Regarding masks, most people were good about wearing them, though clearly some of that slipped when people were sitting at their seats. I did see a few times where ushers enforced the masking at your seat rule, but it didn't seem overly draconian (it wasn't that if your beer left your lips for more than two seconds and your mask wasn't up, ushers would descend on you). Those patrons I observed were mostly compliant when directed (except the stray Phillies fan who decided to be difficult). Although I know some folks aren't crazy about it, to be honest, I've been at work every day for the last year wearing a mask the entire time for 8+ hours, so I'm not especially sympathetic. Little bit of a pain, but won't kill ya for a couple hours. - As others have stated, most but not all concessions appeared to be open. Prices did feel a touch on the steep side, but I'd bet they're comparable to what they were in 2019. The O's clearly haven't moved to the Ravens modified pricing. - Lastly, the bar scene before the game was of course quite different than normal, but still very workable and pleasant. Pickles, Sliders, etc have taken over huge spaces in front of their buildings, with plentiful tables well-spaced out. We got to Sliders at maybe 11:45 before a 1 o'clock game on a Sunday, and we had no issue getting a table. Again, overall would recommend folks go, if you're comfortable. I'll tell you it was absolutely great to get back out there and do something normal after having been cooped up for so long.
    • One last thought. When the reserve clause died in court and all players could become free agents every year, the players union was smart and agreed to a service requirement. It was good for salaries and good for the sport to control supply/demand, even if it seemed like a giveaway by the players. If there was a non-performance clause built into free agent contracts that gave some level of relief to owners, it would benefit salaries and the sport. Small to mid size teams would have more ability to chase top talent because the affect of a bad contract would be less calamitous to their limited payroll means if it was discounted by some percentage for non-performance. Ask Scott Boras if he’d rather have three teams bidding for his client or six. Our very own Albert Belle contract made insuring contracts fairly cost prohibitive (though it kinda seems like we’re keeping Davis on the roster for some reason other than insanity). But that practice of insuring contracts showed that there’s more money to spend on players if you give owners some level of protection from disaster contracts like Davis. Owners used to pay huge amounts to insure contracts before they became cost prohibitive. So if it’s good for competitiveness by allowing smaller teams to be more aggressive, and it’s good for player salaries, and it’s good for owners by protecting their investments, by what principle is a player entitled to the full value of a contract that they have essentially defaulted on for non-performance? 
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...