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I don't mind trading anyone in the right deal, but not if our primary motivation is to cut even more costs. Would really limit any value we get back. 

Either way, this offseason is telling me that the rebuild is longer, not shorter. If that's the case, maximize the value you can get on Mancini and Santander and move on. Will suck around here for a while longer though, IMO.

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2 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I don't mind trading anyone in the right deal, but not if our primary motivation is to cut even more costs. Would really limit any value we get back. 

Either way, this offseason is telling me that the rebuild is longer, not shorter. If that's the case, maximize the value you can get on Mancini and Santander and move on. Will suck around here for a while longer though, IMO.

I think Elias tries put together a team that will win when Rutschman arrives in 2022.  No use to waste his years.

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Just now, wildcard said:

I think Elias tries put together a team that will win when Rutschman arrives in 2022.  No use to waste his years.

Unless the plan is to keep AR in the minors until 2023.  😉

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Just now, wildcard said:

I think Elias tries put together a team that will win when Rutschman arrives in 2022.  No use to waste his years.

That's been my hope, but any time you trade existing for future, you're kicking the can down the road...unless you're a team that supplements through free agency/trades, which we haven't been recently.

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1 hour ago, CarrRun49 said:

You took a portion of my post to make your point.  I said I would move him if it included a guy like Waters (Their #2, Consensus top 50 overall).

Fair enough, I didn’t mean to misrepresent your position about what you’d trade him for, I was just reacting to the idea that the the Braves wouldn’t want to give up a top 10 prospect for him.    

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20 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

That's been my hope, but any time you trade existing for future, you're kicking the can down the road...unless you're a team that supplements through free agency/trades, which we haven't been recently.

If Elias flips the switch in 2022, Cobb will be off the books.   Mancini probably traded by then.   Covid hopefully behind us which means fans in the stand and  more revenue to build with.   They will have the money getting a better quality FA  on short contracts until Grayson,  DL, Henderson and Westburg  arrive.     

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5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If Elias flips the switch in 2022, Cobb will be off the books.   Mancini probably traded by then.   Covid hopefully behind us which means fans in the stand and  more revenue to build with.   They will have the money getting a better quality FA  on short contracts until Grayson,  DL, Henderson and Westburg  arrive.     

We don't know that.

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If Elias flips the switch in 2022, Cobb will be off the books.   Mancini probably traded by then.   Covid hopefully behind us which means fans in the stand and  more revenue to build with.   They will have the money getting a better quality FA  on short contracts until Grayson,  DL, Henderson and Westburg  arrive.     

This could all be true. Or we could be sold. Or we could be going bare bones until we're sold. Or we could be going bare bones into the future.

The money being talked about with MASN is massive. I'm not sure the Angelos people were collecting it in their piggy banks. I have no faith in them to spend, at all. at any point.

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Just now, LookinUp said:

This could all be true. Or we could be sold. Or we could be going bare bones until we're sold. Or we could be going bare bones into the future.

The money being talked about with MASN is massive. I'm not sure the Angelos people were collecting it in their piggy banks. I have no faith in them to spend, at all. at any point.

If you are talking about the lawsuits yes, they were collecting it.  They haven't been allowed to spend the disputed money.

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1 minute ago, LookinUp said:

This could all be true. Or we could be sold. Or we could be going bare bones until we're sold. Or we could be going bare bones into the future.

The money being talked about with MASN is massive. I'm not sure the Angelos people were collecting it in their piggy banks. I have no faith in them to spend, at all. at any point.

This is probably question for Frobby but didn't the Orioles put money in escrow prior to the court ruling?

Here is what a quick google search shows:  99m in Escrow.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bs-sp-masn-orioles-nationals-20191125-jw64tzklg5hjdbunvt2tmhjlz4-story.html

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As far as not  spending because of a possible sale........A winning team is worth more than a losing one.  As players like Rutschman, Rodriguez, DL  Hall, Henderson, Westburg, Kjerstad, Bauman, Lowther, Diaz graduate to the majors putting the FA around then on short term contracts to make the team win adds value.   The rebuild is in motion.   Seem logical to me that the O's ownership does what is necessary to make them win when at the right time.

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5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

As far as not  spending because of a possible sale........A winning team is worth more than a losing one.  As players like Rutschman, Rodriguez, DL  Hall, Henderson, Westburg, Kjerstad, Bauman, Lowther, Diaz graduate to the majors putting the FA around then on short term contracts to make the team win adds value.   The rebuild is in motion.   Seem logical to me that the O's ownership does what is necessary to make them win when at the right time.

I don't think the team is going to be sold.  I think they are latched onto this franchise like an engorged tick.

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2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Without doing something truly disturbing can fan opinion of the franchise get lower? 

You beat me to it Corn.  The team is in a rebuild that is seemingly taking forever with no real signs of being ready anytime soon.  They have gotten rid of the pre and post game shows and the "fan favorites" (or not) that sat behind those desks.  And truth be told, by the time we are ready to compete, I'm not sure a 30 year old Mancini would really make much difference at that point. 

So yeah, IF the deal is right, you make it.  BUT...you don't just give him away.  That would be ludicrous, which means the O's will do it.

In any event, the Orioles are still trotting out Chris Davis every game, so they are giving us fans what we want.  (sarcasm alert).

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