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Make you a bet we offered less than the Sux. :D

Make you a bet we didn't offer him anything at all. I don't think MacPhail really considered signing him as a 1B, and I have to admit there are better options. It would have been an interesting signing though :)

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I don't think it's official yet, but all signs point to "NO."

Sooo your saying there is a chance????

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I like the idea of a Baldelli signing but he is actually a guy I'd like to try and make sure we get for more than one year, especially if we can set up something with incentives.

With Baldelli, the question isn't really if he'll hit, its how much can he play. I'd be ok with guaranteeing him some base salary for 2-3 years (or some options years after 1-2 years guaranteed) and having lots of incentives on top to where he can earn some serious money if he's playing and playing well.

If we only would have him for one year, I don't really think he's a great fit. Maybe at DH, but I was hoping Scott would DH and Reimold could handle LF.

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I like the idea of a Baldelli signing but he is actually a guy I'd like to try and make sure we get for more than one year, especially if we can set up something with incentives.

With Baldelli, the question isn't really if he'll hit, its how much can he play. I'd be ok with guaranteeing him some base salary for 2-3 years (or some options years after 1-2 years guaranteed) and having lots of incentives on top to where he can earn some serious money if he's playing and playing well.

If we only would have him for one year, I don't really think he's a great fit. Maybe at DH, but I was hoping Scott would DH and Reimold could handle LF.

I think one concern with Reimold is his fielding. The fielding data in the minors is a bit sketchy, but Reimold's adjusted range factor was 1.78 in right field last season; Scott's was 1.92 in left field last season, and 2.02 in right field the season before that. Now we all know Scott isn't the best fielder in the world, so I think (based on these limited data) that Riemold would be below average.

Also I honestly think people on this forum overrate his major league readiness a little. Using last season's data, Riemold's minor league equivalency is .239/.299/.397 - that's Mike Jacobs without the power.

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I think one concern with Reimold is his fielding. The fielding data in the minors is a bit sketchy, but Reimold's adjusted range factor was 1.78 in right field last season; Scott's was 1.92 in left field last season, and 2.02 in right field the season before that. Now we all know Scott isn't the best fielder in the world, so I think (based on these limited data) that Riemold would be below average.

Also I honestly think people on this forum overrate his major league readiness a little. Using last season's data, Riemold's minor league equivalency is .239/.299/.397 - that's Mike Jacobs without the power.

He's not the "best fielder in the world" but he is a well above average defensive LF/RF. If Reimold is a little worse than him defensively, thats still plenty good enough to be able to play LF everyday. That would place Reimold around league average defensively.

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He's not the "best fielder in the world" but he is a well above average defensive LF/RF. If Reimold is a little worse than him defensively, thats still plenty good enough to be able to play LF everyday. That would place Reimold around league average defensively.

Yeah, but the league average of LF is heavily skewed by the presence of guys like Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez, Pat Burrell... Scott is "above average" compared to other people in LF, but as an absolute statement, he's not that good of a fielder.

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Yeah, but the league average of LF is heavily skewed by the presence of guys like Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez, Pat Burrell... Scott is "above average" compared to other people in LF, but as an absolute statement, he's not that good of a fielder.
I'm not a huge fan of the fielding bible, but the difference between the best and worse left-fielders according to the FB is closer than most of the other positions, so that theory doesn't really hold water.

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Mackus,

ugen64 is right. That is why the more commonly accepted positional adjustments are:

+1.25 C

+0.75 SS

+0.25 2B/3B/CF

-0.75 LF/RF

-1.25 1B

-1.75 DH

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If I asked you who the best defensive player in baseball was, would your answer be Carl Crawford? Probably not. He’s definitely an asset defensively, but does anyone think he’s really the best defensive player in the game? His 2008 UZR/150 is better than everyone else, though, so if you were just sorting the entire league by that metric, Crawford stands head and shoulders above everyone else.

However, we all instinctively understand that the quality of defenders at each position is not even. Crawford rates remarkably well as a left fielder in large part due to the fact that left fielders are lousy defenders as a group. In fact, if we just look at UZR/150 for qualified left fielders in 2008, only three of the 13 players on the list have above average rankings - Crawford at 28.6, Fred Lewis at 12.1, and Matt Holliday at 5.2. The bottom of the list is populated by guys who should be DH’ing - Pat Burrell, Raul Ibanez, and Adam Dunn. Teams use left field as a hiding ground for good hitters with lousy defensive abilities in order to get their bats in the line-up, so when a team like Tampa goes the alternate direction and sticks a good glove in LF, he’s going to look like a superstar, thanks to the relative uselessness of his peers.

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If Carl Crawford was put into a room of 5′5 people, he’d appear tall. If he was put into a room of 6′5 people, he’d appear short. Think of left field, right field, first base, and designated hitter as positions of short people. You don’t have to actually be the best defensive player in the league to look like a defensive whiz when the standard you’re being held to is so low.

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Mackus,

ugen64 is right. That is why the more commonly accepted positional adjustments are:

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But somebody has to play left field. If there were enough people who could hit well enough and field well enough, then the average left field defense would be higher.

I'm not saying the Scott is a better defensive outfielder than any centerfielder or anything like that, just that he's better than what is usually put out in left field.

Basically, you have to be able to hit at a certain level to be allowed to play left field (or RF or 1B). Among the people who do hit well enough to play LF, Scott is above average defensively.

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But somebody has to play left field. If there were enough people who could hit well enough and field well enough, then the average left field defense would be higher.

I'm not saying the Scott is a better defensive outfielder than any centerfielder or anything like that, just that he's better than what is usually put out in left field.

Basically, you have to be able to hit at a certain level to be allowed to play left field (or RF or 1B). Among the people who do hit well enough to play LF, Scott is above average defensively.

Ok, I think we are on the same page.*

What about your response to this:

Yeah, but the league average of LF is heavily skewed by the presence of guys like Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez, Pat Burrell... Scott is "above average" compared to other people in LF, but as an absolute statement, he's not that good of a fielder.

with this

I'm not a huge fan of the fielding bible, but the difference between the best and worse left-fielders according to the FB is closer than most of the other positions, so that theory doesn't really hold water.

Do you get what Ugen was saying there now?

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*But I disagree about hit well enough other than that is the way it is, not the way it necessarily should be. Seattle is going to field basically three great outfielders, none of which can really hit (although Ichiro can usually get on base an above average amount of the time). Baseball is not there on defense, but it is getting closer.

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What about your response to this:

with this

Do you get what Ugen was saying there now?

I still don't think that the worst defensive left-fielders weigh down the "average LF" benchmark considerably moreso than the worse defensive third basemen or right-fielders or first basemen weigh down their respective "average" benchmarks.

I may have read his point wrong, but thats what I thought he was implying. That the worst of the worst in LF are considerably worse than the other positions.

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