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  1. 8 points
    In an effort to shed some light on what Jonathan Villar might get in arbitration or as a free agent, I had a look at what every player who qualified or came close at 2B/SS got paid in 2019, plus a few extras who got paid a lot but played little due to injuries. I counted up 64 such players other than Villar, about two for every team, as you would expect. There are a couple of strays on the list who played a good bit of 2B/SS but had their primary positions elsewhere. Of the 62 players, their salaries break down like this: $10 mm+: 13 players $5-9.99 mm: 12 players $1-4.99 mm: 17 players Under $1 mm: 22 players Here are the details on the 25 players who earned more than $5 mm, plus aother 11 players who earned less but either (1) are under long term deals that eventually will pay them more than $5 mm in a single season, or (2) earned a healthy salary in arb-3 in a previous season. 1. Robinson Cano, $24 mm. Cano started 98 games at 2B last year and earned 0.3 rWAR; he's earned 7.0 rWAR over the last 3 years. Cano was a super-2 when he was with the Yankees, and earned $9 mm in his super-4 season and $10 mm in his super-5 season. 2. Elvis Andrus, $15.3 mm. Andrus started 146 games at SS last year and earned 1.9 rWAR; he's earned 8.1 rWAR over the last 3 years. Andrus signed an 8-year deal in 2015 that paid him $6.5 mm in his arb-3 season. 3. Brandon Crawford, $15.2 mm. Crawford startred 137 games at SS last year and earned 0.6 rWAR; he's earned 5.1 rWAR the last 3 years. Crawford signed a 6-year deal in 2016 that paid him $8.2 mm in arb-3. 4. Jean Segura, $14.9 mm. Segura started 141 games at SS last year and earned 1.3 rWAR; he's earned 9.0 rWAR over the last 3 seasons. Segura signed a 5-year deal in 2018 that paid him $9.6 mm in arb-3. 5. Jason Kipnis, $14.7 mm. Kipnis started 117 games at 2B last year and earned 0.5 rWAR; he's earned 2.5 rWAR the last 3 years. Kipnis signed a 6-year deal after his first full year in the majors that paid him $9.2 mm in arb-3. 6. Dee Gordon, $13.3 mm. Gordon started 115 games at 2B and 2 at SS last year and earned 0.4 rWAR; he's earned 4.4 rWAR over the last 3 years. Gordon was a super-2 who signed a 6-year deal before his first year of arbitration eligibility that paid him $7.8 mm as a super-4 and $10.8 mm as a super-5. 7. Andrelton Simmons, $13.0 mm. Simmons started 98 games at SS last year and earned 2.1 rWAR; he's earned 15.3 rWAR over the last 3 seasons. Simmons signed a 7-year deal before the 2014 season (after his first full season) that paid him $8 mm in his super-4 season and $11 mm in his super-5 season. At the time he signed his deal, it would not have been clear whether his service time would earn him super-2 status or not (he had 1 year, 125 days when he signed; 2 years, 133 days ended up being the cutoff for super-2). 8. D.J. LeMahieu, $12.0 mm. LeMahieu started 66 games at 2B last year (he also played a lot at 1B and 3B) and earned 6.0 rWAR; he's earned 11.8 rWAR in his last 3 seasons. LeMahieu was playing the first year of a 2-year, $24 mm free agent deal. He earned $8.5 mm in his arb-3 season with the Rockies. 9. Xander Bogaerts, $12.0 mm. Bogaerts started 153 games at SS last year and earned 5.2 rWAR; he's earned 11.2 rWAR the last 3 years. Bogaerts signed a 6-year, $120 mm deal that starts next year; he was in arb-3 last year when he earned $12 mm last season. 10. Ben Zobrist, $12.0 mm. Zobrist started 23 games at 2B in 2019 and scattered games elsewhere accruing -0.1 rWAR; in the past 3 years he totaled 3.6 rWAR. Back in his Tampa days he signed a 4-year deal that bought out his arb years and gave the Rays options on 2 FA years; his arb 3 season cost $5.5 mm. 11. Starlin Castro, $11.9 mm. Castro started 115 games at 2B and 2 at SS last year and earned 0.8 rWAR, 6.0 rWAR the last 3 years. Castro signed a 7-year deal before the 2013 season, in which he would have been a super-2. He was paid $6.9 mm for his super-4 season and $7.9 mm for super-5. 12. Didi Gregorius, $11.9 mm. Gregorius started 78 games at SS last year while missing the first half with an injury, and earned 0.6 rWAR; he's earned 8.5 rWAR the last 3 years. His salary was as a super-5 and he previously earned $8.25 mm as a super-4. 13. Francisco Lindor, $10.9 mm. Lindor started 137 games at SS and earned 4.7 rWAR; he's earned 18.1 rWAR the last 3 seasons. His 2019 salary was earned in arb-1, after a 7.9 rWAR season that placed him 6th in the MVP voting (after being 5th the year before that). 14. Scooter Gennett, $9.775 mm. Gennett started 23 games at 2B in 2019 and amassed -0.8 rWAR; he earned 5.8 rWAR the past 3 seasons. His salary last year was in arb-3, after seasons of 2.4 and 4.2 rWAR. 15. Jose Altuve, $9.5 mm. Altuve started 119 games at 2B and earned 3.7 rWAR; he's earned 16.9 rWAR the last 3 seasons. Altuve previously had signed a very team-friendly deal after his first full season, that paid him $4.5 mm in arb-3 and gave the Astros options through 2019 at very low prices. The Astros signed Altuve to a further extension after his 2017 MVP season that increased his 2018-19 salaries modestly but starts paying him $29 mm per year next season. 16. Brian Dozier, $9.0 mm. Dozier started 114 games at 2B and earned 0.7 rWAR; he's earned 6.1 rWAR the last 3 years. Dozier earned his deal as a free agent following a 1.0 rWAR season in 2018 but had been very good the two previous seasons. Under a prior 4 year deal signed in his last pre-arb year that bought out his arbitration-eligible seasons, he earned $9 mm in arb-3. 17. Rougned Odor, $7.8 mm. Odor started 137 games at 2B and earned -0.3 rWAR last year; he's earned 2.0 rWAR the last 3 seasons. Odor signed a 6-year deal before the 2017 season (his last pre-arb season) that pays him $9.3 mm in arb-3. 18. Cesar Hernandez, $7.75 mm. Hernandez started 157 games at 2B in 2019 and earned 2.5 rWAR; he's earned 6.8 rWAR the last three seasons. He was a super-4 when earning his 2019 salary and will have a 4th year of arbitration eligibility in 2020. 19. Jonathan Schoop, $7.5 mm. Schoop started 110 games at 2B in 2019 and earned 1.6 rWAR; he's earned 8.3 rWAR the last 3 seasons. He was DFA last year before what would have been his arb-3 season, and earned his 2019 salary as a free agent. 20. Mike Moustakas, $7.0 mm. Moustakas started 40 games at 2B though he was primarily a 3B, and he earned 3.2 rWAR; over the last 3 years he's earned 7.6 rWAR. His $7 mm was as a free agent and he also got bough out of two option years at the send of the season for an extra $2 mm. As an arb-3 with the Royals he earned $8.7 mm, strictly as a 3B. 21. Kolten Wong, $6.5 mm. Wong started 134 games at 2B and earned 4.7 rWAR in 2019; he earned 10.0 rWAR over the last 3 years. Wong signed a 5-year contract after his second full season that bought out his arbitration years and one free agent year; the $6.5 mm he earned last season was for his arb-3 year. 22. Marcus Semien, $5.9 mm. Semien started 161 games at SS last year and earned 8.1 rWAR; he's earned 13.5 rWAR the last 3 years. He's entering his arb-3 season. 23. Javy Baez, $5.2 mm. Baez started 128 games at SS last year and earned 4.8 rWAR; over the last 3 years he's earned 9.1 rWAR. He was paid $5.2 mm in arb-1 following a 6.3 rWAR season in which he finished 2nd in the MVP voting. 24. Trevor Story, $5.0 mm. Story started 144 games at SS and earned 6.4 rWAR last year.; he's earned 14.6 rWAR over the last 3 years. He was in arb-1 last year after earning 5.6 rWAR and finishing 8th in the MVP voting. 25. Carlos Correa, $5.0 mm. Correa started 75 games at SS last year and earned 2.9 rWAR; he's earned 10.6 rWAR the last 3 years. He was in arb-1 last year after earning 1.7 rWAR in an injury-shortened 2018 season, playing 110 games. 26. Freddy Galvis, $4.0 mm. Galvis started 27 games at 2B and 127 at SS in 2019 and earned 16 rWAR; he was worth 5.1 rWAR the last 3 years. Previously he earned $6.8 mm in arb-3. 27. Howie Kendrick, $4.0 mm. Kendrick started 18 games at 2B in 2019 while mostly playing 1B and a little 3B and pinch hitting frequently, and earned 2.6 rWAR; he earned 3.8 rWAR the past 3 seasons. In his younger days, purely as a 2B, he earned $4.5 mm in arb-3. 28. Ian Kinsler, $3.75 mm. Kinsler started 63 games at 2B in 2019 and earned -0.3 rWAR. In his younger days, he earned $6.2 mm in arb-3. 29. Jorge Polanco, $3.6 mm. Polanco started 139 games at SS and earned 5.7 rWAR this year; he's earned 9.3 rWAR the last 3 years. Polanco signed a 5-year deal after his second full season that buys out one pre-arb year, his arb years and one FA year, and has options for 2 more seasons, that pays him $5.5 mm in his arb-3 year. 30. Jose Iglesias, $2.5 mm. Iglesias started 136 games at SS and earned 1.5 rWAR; he's been worth 5.1 rWAR the last 3 years. Iglesias earned $6.3 mm as an arb-3. 31. Ketel Marte, $2.4 mm. Marte started 45 games at 2B and 5 games at SS while starting primarily in CF, and earned 6.9 rWAR in 2019; he's earned 11.3 rWAR the last 3 years. He signed a 5 year deal before his 1st full season, a year before he would have been a super-2, which provided for him to make $6.4 mm in his super-4 season and $8.4 mm in super-5. 32. Paul DeJong, $1.7 mm. DeJong started 156 games at SS and earned 4.1 rWAR; he's been worth 10.6 rWAR the last 3 years. After his rookie year, DeJong signed a 6-year deal that pays him $6.2 mm as a projected super-4 and $9.2 mm as a projected super-5. I should add that it was unclear when he signed that deal whether he'd make the super-2 cutoff or not, so the $9.2 mm could have been for his arb-3 season, depending how the cutoff fell. The cutoff still has not been announced, but it is reportedly expected to be very low this year (below DeJpng's 2.127). 33. Tim Anderson, $1.4 mm. Anderson started 122 games at SS last year and earned 4.0 rWAR; he's been worth 7.6 rWAR the last 3 season. Anderson signed a 6-year deal after his rookie year that pays him $9.5 mm in arb-3. 34. Whit Merrifield, $1.0 mm. Merrifield started 76 games at 2B while also starting games at all 3 OF spots and 1B, and earned 4.0 rWAR; he's been worth 13.4 rWAR the last 3 years. Merrifield signed a 4-year deal before his last pre-arb season that buys out his 3 arb years and gives a team option for his first FA season. His deal is structured oddly and he's only guaranteed $2.75 mm for his arb-3 season, though he will have earned $6.75 mm in arb-2 and can earn $2 mm in incentives in arb-3. 35. Ozzie Albies, $575 k. Albies started 158 games at 2B last year and earned 4.8 rWAR; he's earned 9.9 rWAR in his 2 years in the majors. He signed an extremely team-friendly 7-year deal after his rookie year, that has him making $7 mm in arb-3. 36. David Bote, $561 k. Bote started 28 games at 2B while playing mostly 3B in 2019, and earned2.0 rWAR; he's been worth 3.0 rWAR in his two major league seasons. He's been signed to a 5-year deal that will pay him $5.5 mm in arb-3. I need to run out now and don't have time to comment on conclusions from this list in great detail. I'll just say briefly that I don't think this list supports the $10.4 mm arb-3 estimate for Villar given by MLB Trade Rumors. I'll be interested in the conclusions others draw from this list.
  2. 4 points
    The very first Oriole J2 class and the organizational imperative to develop an international presence by developing scouting abroad. Peter Angelos was morally opposed to the buscone system and refused to enter the market for Latino players. To me this is proof that PA no longer involved in the operations of the Orioles. The hiring of an analytics team to help scout and develop players. Sig Mejdal and his crew. Eve Rosenbaum, director of baseball development, a new position. Matt Blood, director of player development, and Chris Holt, director of pitching, are both knee deep in Kyle Boddy’s DriveLine baseball venture (Boddy himself is now Cinci’s director of pitching). We just hired a new sports psychologist. Remember when Britton called out the O’s because the Yankees were miles ahead of the O’s in terms of supporting their pitchers with film study and other aids? The introduction of Edgertronic cameras in spring training. The organizational focus on spinrates. K-vest technology. Not coincidentally this is the first year the minor league pitching has looked pretty decent.
  3. 3 points
    Ravens Win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20 - 17
  4. 3 points
    Exactly. So none of us yet know if the 10 million a year being thrown around is close to what the market will bear. Personally I think he signs somewhere for around 7 million a year, probably a 2-3 year deal at 14-21 million. I don't think he was worth 10 million a year, and certainly not worth that to the Orioles. I'll miss watching him play as he was entertaining. But our focus needs to be down the road and not this year. I certainly don't know if the money saved will be invested into the franchise... none of us do. But we all admit the changes we are making internationally, analytically and organizationally aren't free. Maybe freeing up this cash expedites some of the growth. Maybe it doesn't. I'll never be able to prove it does.... nor can the Elias detractors prove it isn't. But at this point I'm trusting in the process and Villar is a minor issue to me.
  5. 2 points
    It's that time of year once again where we give you an in-depth view of the Orioles system. We will be doing our top 30 once again, but this year we will give you a new grading system so you can quickly see where the player is currently in development, where they will most likely end up, and their ceiling if everything breaks for them. This will help you determine the closeness of the player to the big leagues as well as the toolsy guys with bigger ceilings but who are farther away. We developed this list after doing our own scouting, analyzing statistics, and after analyzing comments from players development personnel and professional scouts inside and outside of the organization. As with last year, I worked in collaboration with Luke Siler to develop the list. Our official list listed here is the collaborative result of our analysis. New Grading System: Grade Hitters Starters Relievers 80 HOFer HOFer #1 75 Top 1-2 Top 1-2 #1 70 Top 5 Top 5 #1 65 All-Star All-Star #1-#2 60 Plus #2-#3 Elite Closer All-Star 55 Above AVG #3-#4 Mid-Closer 50 AVG Regular #4-#5 Low-Closer/Elite Setup 45 Platoon/Utilty #5-Swingman Setup 40 Bench Up/Down Middle/Long relief 35 Up/Down Emergency Up/Down 30 Org (AA/AAA) Org (AA/AAA) Org (AA/AAA) 25 Org (AA) Org (AA) Org (AA) 20 Org (A Ball ) Org (A Ball) Org (A Ball) Rank Name Current Grade Future Grade Ceiling Grade 1 Adley Rutschman 50 70 70 2 Grayson Rodriguez 40 60 70 3 DL Hall 30 60 70 4 Ryan Mountcastle 50 60 65 5 Austin Hays 50 55 60 6 Yusniel Diaz 40 50 55 7 Mike Baumann 40 50 55 8 Zac Lowther 40 50 55 9 Gunnar Henderson 20 50 60 10 Hunter Harvey 50 55 60 11 Dean Kremer 40 45 50 12 Keegan Akin 40 45 50 13 Alex Wells 40 45 50 14 Drew Rom 25 45 50 15 Brenan Hanifee 30 45 50 16 Darrell Hernaiz 25 45 55 17 Adam Hall 25 45 50 18 Kyle Stowers 25 40 50 19 Ryan McKenna 35 40 45 20 Bruce Zimmerman 40 40 45 21 Rylan Bannon 35 40 40 22 Adam Stauffer 25 40 50 23 Zach Pop 30 40 45 24 Leonardo Rodriguez 25 40 45 25 Gray Fenter 25 40 45 26 Dillon Tate 40 40 40 27 Cody Sedlock 35 40 40 28 Griffin McLarty 25 40 45 29 Brett Cumberland 35 40 40 30 Toby Welk 25 40 45
  6. 2 points
    I have one thing to say...Let's Go Texans at 8PM tonight!
  7. 2 points
    Chuck Thompson’s is the only voice I hear from way back on those summer afternoons with a transistor radio sitting on the picnic table in my back yard while my family eats crabs. He was the Orioles and the Colts. “Unitas...Berry....touchdown” was as iconic as “Go to war, Miss Agnes!” His speech on being inducted into Cooperstown was as beautiful and warm as the man himself. That he considered himself a friend to all his listeners. He was.
  8. 2 points
    This whole thing strikes me as a prime reason why the current MLB compensation structure should be demolished and replaced.
  9. 2 points
    Thanks 7Mo - appreciate it. Definitely frustrated with the franchise, but I’m still bullish on the future. It will take time, but I see Elias doing things that no GM/Leader for the Orioles has done in decades - focus on building the organization from inside out. The current economics of the league make it hard for some to compete, but it can be done and I feel we’re doing it the right way. While I understand the Villar move, it’s understandably frustrating to the fan base.
  10. 2 points
    Gary Thorne is one of the greatest.
  11. 1 point
    I saw there was a Temple game thread, which is part of the Orlando Invitational, but figured this one might deserve its own. Championship game. Maryland has a chance to earn their biggest win of the year thus far. I think Marquette is a solid squad. The key, of course, is stopping Markus Howard. I haven't had a chance to watch a full Terps game this year (saw the majority of the Rhode Island game), so looking forward to it.
  12. 1 point
    I posted some time ago that the most obvious way to lower the 2019 payroll is to move Villar. I support this decision by Elias with the following thoughts: - arbitration is about figuring out a player's value under that system and then comparing that number to the one provided by the team and the one provided by the player. Villar was probably going to be paid between $8M-$10M under that process. Not a big incremental jump. The incremental Ws provided by Villar to this team would improve our w-l record and hinder our ability to have a poor record and top 2020 draft position. - Someone posted that Villar's 4 WAR season was impacted by a very large number of at-bats. I doubt teams valued Villar at 4 WAR. Probably they valued him somewhere around 1-1.5 incremental WAR over their best internal option. - I trust that Elias has been trying to trade Villar since last year's trade deadline or before with no takers so far. Holding onto Villar with the intention of dealing him during the season is too big a risk IMO. - I don't know if there are other internal investments to make or if the savings from losing/dealing Villar will be reinvested in the team, but it would not surprise me if the value of a Rule V pick plus the saved $ has more value to the post 2020 Os than Villar's production. - there will be plenty to enjoy next year at the major league level including the 2019 performers plus Hays and the expected early promotion of Mountcastle, possibly Diaz and hopefully a couple of pitchers. This is what a cold-blooded (soul-less) front office decision looks like.
  13. 1 point
    The arbitration projection was just that, a projection. It wasn’t a fact. I’ve been adamant in my opinion that Villar was not going to get $10 mm in arbitration, and might not even get $9 mm. I think the data I collected above supports my opinion. Now, would he get more in arbitration than his open market value as a free agent? Possibly.
  14. 1 point
    By the way, of the 36 players I listed, the following are free agents: Castro, Dozier, Gennett, Kipnis, Schoop, Zobrist, Gregorius and Iglesias. Cot’s lists another 23 players who are free agents at those positions. I think the large supply with not that many openings is a big reason the demand for Villar appears soft.
  15. 1 point
    Rob Zastryzny has to be in the mix too if Bundy departs. Some notes I have on him in 2017 from his days in the Cubs organization RHSwing Rob Zastryzny 6’3” 205 Lbs. (199203) [2013-02] [2014 Cubs BA 20; 2015 Cubs BA 14; 2017 Cubs BA14] After getting shelled in 2015, 48/28 K/W with 0.310 BAA and 6.23 ERA in 60 AA IP, he rebounded in 2016 improving as the year went on posting a 42/20 K/W in 54 SL IP with 0.245 BAA and a more impressive 77/31 K/W in 81 AAA IP with 0.229 BAA; he finished the year in the majors. Split time between the majors and AAA in 2017 missing two months with an injury. AAA numbers: 40/14 K/W in 47 IP with 0.270 BAA and 5.94 ERA. Ended season in majors getting hit hard; he finished with a 11/7 K/W in 13 IP with a 0.352 BAA and 2 HRA. The following was taken from MLB.com in 2018. MLB.com Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Cutter: 50 | Curveball: 40 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 | Overall: 45 A starter throughout his career since signing for $1.1 million as a second-rounder in 2013, Zastryzny got summoned to Chicago as a reliever last August. He posted a 1.13 ERA and 17 strikeouts in 16 innings and earned a spot on the National League Championship Series roster, though he was left out of the World Series to make room for Kyle Schwarber. The key to his success in 2016 was coming up with a cutter that kept hitters from sitting on his fastball. Zastryzny lacks a plus pitch, and while his fastball and changeup can be solid offerings, they also lack consistency. He throws both two- and four-seam fastballs, ranging from 87-95 mph and sitting around 90. In the big leagues, he mostly abandoned his changeup in favor of his cutter, which generates groundouts, and his curveball, which lacks depth but had surprising success in a small sample size. Zastryzny's crossfire delivery gives him deception and is tough on left-handers, but it also hurts his control and command. He could wind up as a back-of-the-rotation starter or a middle reliever, filling whatever role the Cubs need a lefty in just like Travis Wood did for five seasons before departing as a free agent. A lat strain cost him most of May and June this year, however.
  16. 1 point
    So I just was told by another source that he is on waivers, a team source (not Orioles). So either the reporting about still trying to trade him is wrong or the publicly available waiver rules are wrong, because they clearly say outright waivers are unrevocable.
  17. 1 point
    No worries! Not offended. I overstepped. I think we’re all frustrated with things but want the same positive result. I’m with you on wanting an ownership change (going on about 18 years or so). I can see it happening. MLB is disenfranchised with PGA and I can’t see them allowing an easy transition to his sons - especially if they’re not even attempting to compete. Rebuilding the organization could make them more intriguing to a buyer. I really hope for this to be the case. sorry about the Alabama loss yesterday - tough with Tua going down.
  18. 1 point
    Hard to believe all 30 teams wouldn't be willing to pay a 4 win player 10M. They must all be buffoons.
  19. 1 point
    The Ravens swept NFC West. That is quite impressive.
  20. 1 point
    Hell of a game and win. The 49ers will be in the Super Bowl this year and hopefully we'll see them there!
  21. 1 point
  22. 1 point
    Spread this out and get the 1st down with a run!
  23. 1 point
    Starting their best five players for the first time this season, seemed to make a big difference. This is the first game I've watched where we've looked like a legit top five team from start to finish. You've seen a lot of playing around with the rotations early in the season and minutes spread around. As we get into conference play I think you'll see a rotation similar to what we saw today. The Mitchell twins have been disappointing. Scott looks like he is going to be the freshman on the roster who gives us the biggest impact.
  24. 1 point
    Gimme a break that was more of PI than the one they called on the Ravens.
  25. 1 point
    That was BS... Should have been a 15 yarder
  26. 1 point
    If Chuck Carr doesn't want want to tackle then he needs to find a new profession. Mosetert got like three more yards because he went into that play like he didn't want to create contact. How in the world they got 7-8 yards on that play is unbelievable. somebody needs to get in these guys' ear because this defense is not coming to play.
  27. 1 point
    Touchdown!!!! Dominant drive.
  28. 1 point
    Makes sense, I just don’t know enough to confirm.
  29. 1 point
    Correct me if I'm wrong but that college money is typically the equivalent of the cost of tuition they gave up in order to sign, meaning if the drafted player had committed to Clemson, the drafting organization would add college costs equal to 4 years of tuition at Clemson, being what the player forfeited to sign his contract.
  30. 1 point
    Villar had a 3.9 WAR season in 2016 and followed it with 0.1 in 2017 and 1.4 in 2018. No one can say with certainty which Villar will appear in 2020. That being said, it's pitiful that the decision is made on the basis of about $5M. Also, this talk of the money being banked for a later date, is speculation. The Orioles have repeatedly talked about tying payroll to attendance, and it's reasonable to assume that will be down again in 2020.
  31. 1 point
    I'll concede your numbers, I guess. I included his non-"everyday player" years. Yet it really doesn't matter to the argument due to the situation the club is in. This is a money issue on a cost cutting team. That is what it boils down to. They tried to trade him. It didn't work. He's too expensive and other teams aren't biting. There has to be something to that. He's a decent player. He's in the wrong place at the wrong time to get paid. And evidently other teams feel they can get him at a cheaper price or get him and not have to give anything up. I don't think that makes our GM incompetent.
  32. 1 point
    We can agree to disagree...but lets chat about it when he signs. If he signs for less than 7 million I will throw up my hands and admit you were right! In the article you quoted in the SUN. Elias told the 29 other GMS that he wasn't going to tender him as it made no sense to give a guy 10 million to play for a club that would lose 100 games. If you were a rival GM why on earth would you trade assets for him when you were told by the man that he was going to be released?
  33. 1 point
    He has produced years of 3.9, .1, 2.7, and 4.0. You would take that in a player. For reference Hanser Alberto who many thought had a really good year and was among hitting leaders all season produced only 1.9 good for 3rd on the team. Villar had 3 seasons better in the last 4. Villar has only been a full time player since 2016. He was 25 during 2016 so he was age appropriate to be bouncing back and forth between the minors prior to 2016. For reference .... Ryan Mountcastle wss 22 at AAA, according to baseball reference his age differential is -4.9 for the level and -3.3 at Bowie last season. So using the years where he was an established major leaguer is 2016-2019 and his average WAR 2.675. If you throw out the anomaly that was obviously due to a back injury he's been a 3.5 WAR ball player.
  34. 1 point
    He did not have a market last trade deadline. He has not had one since. He does not have one now. Because of the expense attached and the lack of front office values for his skills across the league.
  35. 1 point
    I meant the Orioles will not be signing him for the 7 million dollar value after 1 and before 8. He's gone. No compensation. Because he is too expensive for the league, not because Elias bundered. The league spoke. We should listen.
  36. 1 point
    Someone is going to sign him and like @weams said its not going to be for 7 million. And yes it will likely be without giving up any trade assets. Which was an Oriole blunder by saying they werent going to tender him. As an opposing GM, why trade anything for him when you were told by the man that he was going to be released
  37. 1 point
    Why would an extension be smart on a team that won't compete during it? Just asking.
  38. 1 point
    Tony and Luke went to a lot of trouble to bring us all up to speed on each of them It's a great read and I suggest it. Right here it is.
  39. 1 point
  40. 1 point
    Tayler Scott signed with the Hiroshima Carp.
  41. 1 point
    Sure ...Most of them had good 2019s, Grayson Rodriguez and DL Hall are top 100 guys. Sedlock has been left off the 40 and exposed to the rule 5 along with Fenter (both in our teams top 30). Sedlock is probably a long shot to be taken due to not pitching past A ball. If he is selected it will probably rough to keep him all year. Not sure of the chances of Fenter being selected. 2019 was a good season for most of our top pitching prospects. But most were between Frederick and Bowie. Its been mentioned that Akin and Kremer will challenge for spots on the big club this season as they are nearly ready. Harvey had a resurgence in the Orioles pen this past season and looks like that is his future as well. He stayed healthy and had a pretty good season. Here is a link for looking at prospects. Not everyone likes the source but I do. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=bal
  42. 1 point
    Villar is likely on the team if the Orioles weren't already committed to paying Davis and Cobb a combined $35M payroll in 2020. It's a bit of a cold process, but the Astroball model calls for bare bones payroll in the rebuilding phase. When the Orioles start (hopefully) improving in 2021-23 timeframe if they pull a stunt like this with a 4 WAR player then I'll be upset. Going to give Elias the benefit of the doubt for now.
  43. 1 point
    On this forum I’ve been very pro-Elias, and to be frank I understand the economics behind this move. There is a bit of “soulless tank machine” in this move (if it’s being done within a vacuum; ie we put Villar on waivers to pinch pennies). Part of me holds out hope that this isn’t being done in a vacuum, that there is something we all don’t know: a trade for a better infielder, a reworked contract, that Villar is a complete clubhouse cancer, etc. I don’t love the move but I’m not gonna lose sleep over it. Villar doesn’t save 2020 from itself. He’s just a player that was enjoyable to watch and he won’t fill that role next year. If this is what Elias needed to do, then I defer to his judgement. I’ve seen him make a lot of changes to this organization already so he’s earned my cautious approval to do whatever it is. Keep the rebuild moving and show me an Orioles Champion within the next five years. For now, next man up.
  44. 1 point
    Post more often. We need good posts.
  45. 1 point
    look, yes he is an entertaining and competent announcer...but his constant getting pitches and locations wrong is maddening...why can't someone take him aside and coach him on it...ugh
  46. 1 point
    Are you being sarcastic? I can't imagine anyone gives Villar $10M+ a year.
  47. 1 point
    The O’s don’t save money by cutting Davis. It costs them at least $560,000 to do it, because they still have to pay him and then they need to pay someone at least the major league minimum to take his roster spot. Would that deter me from cutting him? No. But there’s certainly no inconsistency between non-tendering Villar and keeping Davis, financially speaking.
  48. 1 point
    We would gladly have your knowledge here as a Plus member.
  49. 1 point
    Framing. Some teams (read: Orioles) just don't get the calls on the edges. Easier to blame the catchers than the umps, I guess. Sometimes innocent men get "framed."
  50. 0 points
    IPad? What's an IPad? Bluetooth? What's bluetooth? Watch on my phone? Can't do it. I have a flip phone and a land line phone. I am still quite happy with MASN on cable.
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