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  1. 5 points
    Didn’t see this posted yet, O’s with the 31st pick in the 1st round https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/2020-competitive-balance-draft-pick-order.html
  2. 5 points
    Elias is just getting draft picks basically. He's familiar with all these guys. Just gonna see if he can develop some college arms.
  3. 4 points
    I don't have much of a problem with this. A friend of mine who doesn't even like the Orioles just told me he was shocked the O's got a near top 20 prospect in return much less a #30 to go with it. Bundy's velocity has dropped alarmingly. Last year some fastballs were only hitting 89-90. For those panicking, keep in mind we tend to overvalue "our guys". The only real negative is seeing another familiar face go out the door.
  4. 3 points
    I picked the wrong day to not keep checking in on Orioleshangout.com and to quit sniffing glue.
  5. 3 points
    A miscalculation IF your assumption is correct. However, common sense was that the deadline was the high point to trade Villar. You assume Elias is dumb and incompetent. I don't.
  6. 3 points
    1. Gennett 2B L 2. Hays CF R 3. Mancini 1B R 4. Santander S RF 5. Nunez R DH 6. Ruiz L 3B 7. Davis L LF 8. Sisco L C 9. Russell R SS
  7. 2 points
    Round A 31) Baltimore Orioles 32) Pittsburgh Pirates 33) Kansas City Royals 34) Arizona Diamondbacks 35) San Diego Padres 36) Colorado Rockies 37) Cleveland Indians 38) St. Louis Cardinals https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/2020-competitive-balance-draft-pick-order.html
  8. 2 points
  9. 2 points
    For me it wasn't about the expectations, those went out the window the second he had TJ. It was all about the amount of dingers he gave up. And when he was bad, he was BAD. Sure, he turned in some nice starts and had a great slider but a 4.67 career ERA....I'm not upset.
  10. 2 points
    Don't know if there's more than Mattson, don't really care. If we're talking about enjoying watching Villar playing and how the team is less interesting without him...well, I never really liked watching Bundy pitch that much and won't miss him. Pretty sure the Orioles HR rate just got a little bit better.
  11. 2 points
    It'd be cool if they could provide a streaming service but they continue to be tone deaf.
  12. 2 points
    I just wanted to take a moment to wish everyone here a Happy and Blessed Thanksgiving. I am thankful for the opportunity I have been afforded by @Tony-OH and @weams to contribute to the Hangout with my writing. I also am thankful for all of you who have checked on and read the work all season long. As all of the responses to Tony's thoughts on his future and the future of OH show, this is a strong and passionate community of Orioles fans who support the team and value the exchange of opinions and thoughts this site provides and that is something we all should be thankful for. I thank all of you for your support and wish you all a wonderful day spent with family and friends. HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!
  13. 1 point
    How is the 2012 18 inning marathon game against the Mariners in the stretch run of a playoff race not included on this list, plus the Chris Davis game against the Red Sox where he pitched the last two innings and earned the win. https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA201209180.shtml
  14. 1 point
  15. 1 point
    It's hard to get high ceiling prospects in return for a back of the rotation starter, I'd imagine.
  16. 1 point
    Houston would have traded Bud Norris for him while he was out with TJ surgery, per the documents the Cardinals executive hacked off the Astros’ computer system.
  17. 1 point
    It's Weams using the Hangout to quote an Angels board quoting the Hangout.
  18. 1 point
  19. 1 point
  20. 1 point
    How do you not include 162? Was a special moment for the sport and the O's got to be part of it.
  21. 1 point
    I saw him twice when the Keys came to Winston-Salem early on. Such high hopes. Did see him maybe 3 times in Baltimore. Sad to see him go, but it’s for the best (for him and the rebuild). I’ll pull for him no matter where he is.
  22. 1 point
    Well, optics, shmoptics. If it’s good for the team, I’m for it. I just wish I was a little more excited about any of the players we got in return. Hopefully I’ll look back on this deal next September and say now I’m excited. They’re all sort of lottery ticket types.
  23. 1 point
  24. 1 point
    O's so poor they trade for a guy missing a vowel (Brnovich). What's next? Atomic buys OH?
  25. 1 point
    Two words: Luke Hemlich. Both him and Russell did horrible things in the past. Hemlich did his stuff many, many years ago, as a juvenile, and from all reports, has been a model citizen since then. He doesn't get drafted and almost couldn't even play in Mexico, due to fan backlash. Why should Russell get a pass for a horrible set of instances, the most recent being barely a year ago? I'm all for "maybe people can be given second chances," but just because he could help a broken team in the middle infield, why look at his past and say "oh well?" If anything, give him a minor league contract and tell him he has to earn his spot by outplaying everyone else and be a leader in the community.
  26. 1 point
    I actually really liked watching Wojo pitch. 🤷‍♂️ He competes out there unlike Hess or Ynoa at times.
  27. 1 point
    He is not the right fit to be an ambassador for this game. Plenty of players that go about their business the correct way without making terrible mistakes, that hurt other people. Not hitting your spouse and children is one step below the bare minimum for being a normal person. The game would be better if the MLB took a harder stance on this sort of stuff. It should be a privilege to play baseball at the highest level. It's a pantheon of people that are looked up to as larger than life, as heroes to many-- there isn't room for this kind of chicanery among them. There are plenty of decent people knocking on that door. His next best step is to address his behavior and stop being an abuser. He should be allowed to address those issues, make amends, take counseling, do volunteer work, and I think he should do it all in a setting that is no where near a professional baseball diamond. There are plenty of careers that are not public facing where you can earn a decent living. He should go do one of those jobs and try to live his best life. I would respect that more than a press conference attempting to save a multi-million dollar paycheck, sincere or not.
  28. 1 point
    What did you really think a guy like Bundy was worth? Why would anyone give a top flight prospect of any value for a pitcher like Bundy? Switch places. If you're working on a trade for Bundy and are the Angels GM, are you even considering giving up anyone in your top 10? Top 15? What's a career 4.67 career ERA (and climbing) worth, also taking into consideration that his fastball velocity is 92 on a good day? Why would you give up significant value for him?
  29. 1 point
    None of the four made the Angels' midseason Top 30. Mattson: https://baseballamerica.com/players/99840/isaac-mattson/… Peek: https://baseballamerica.com/players/106305/zach-peek/… Kyle Bradish: https://baseballamerica.com/players/99246/kyle-bradish/… Brnovich: https://baseballamerica.com/players/105861/kyle-brnovich/
  30. 1 point
    Yeah, you are missing the fact that Bundy is not a highly valued asset by the other 29 teams in baseball.
  31. 1 point
    Elias acquired a 2019 draft pick from Miami, I could see Zach Peek being an interesting name. The Angels don't have a bunch of high end arms, so I wonder if Sandoval is included.
  32. 1 point
  33. 1 point
    I figured if you added Hays and Mountcastle, kept Villar and moved Mancini to first full time maybe we have a decent line-up. Are pitching would still be bad but we might be more exciting to watch.
  34. 1 point
    Gibson got 3/30. Hamels got 1/18(I believe). Bundy is in those guys’ relative league and a lot cheaper in salary.
  35. 1 point
    I think everyone has different opinions on these things because of things that have happened in their own lives. I don't think it is fair to criticize harshly someone because of their views on the subject. Addison Russell is a public figure and that opens him up to judgement by people who don't know him personally. We are fans of the team and we have feelings about what type of players we associate with. I know Can of Corn had issues with Delmon Young for his actions before becoming an Oriole. I was for forgiving Delmon but I didn't criticize Can of Corn for not feeling the same way. Can of Corn turned out to be correct about the situation as Delmon had another incident.
  36. 1 point
    Agree to disagree. He could continue to talk about domestic violence, he could donate time and money to efforts dedicated to eradicating it. There are real concrete steps he could take to seek redemption. But it is true I don't give him credit for sitting in an uncomfortable press conference one (1) time before the start of Spring Training and the requisite flowery quotes issued by the people who are financially and professionally dependent on him seeming remorseful and having grown. A person who spends years as an abuser (while paying another woman child support in coins) doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from most people after a single press conference. It is great that you are so forgiving and believe that he has changed. Other people want more evidence.
  37. 1 point
    On the other hand, showing disdain for fans, especially season ticket holders, might change the number in the elevator. Was it smart to not pay Villar? Maybe. Was it smart to cancel FanFest (that has been a family tradition for us for many years)? Maybe. Is it smart to change the Dugout Club? Maybe. Does all that have a cumulative effect on my desire to fork out a lot of dollars for season tickets (as I have for more than 20 years, including last year)? You bet it does. We have not renewed. Maybe we will and maybe we won't. I guarantee that if they make me mad enough to make me cancel my season tickets, I will never be back no matter how many wins and World Series they may win.
  38. 1 point
    This is the right number of year in my opinion. He is invaluable to this team. Training another FB alone in these schemes would take 2 years. Not to mention his benefit on defense. National media (NFL network did a piece on him) has already started to pick up his story. He is a great example and ambassador for that Ravens (frankly now football as a whole) mantra of "Next man up." His efforts go a long way in creating the culture you want on your football team.
  39. 1 point
    It’s all a bit of a fairy tale. In 2000, we were 71-88 and swept the Yankees to finish 74-88. The Rangers finished 71-91, drafted 5th and took Teixeira. We drafted 7th and took Chris Smith. The only way we would have beaten out Texas was if we’d lost all three games that series. (Texas did lose their final three, and 8 of their final 9, to “earn” their draft spot.) There never was a year where the O’s went into the final weekend contending for the no. 1 pick, and “blew” it.
  40. 1 point
  41. 1 point
    OK, so I was right. I assume Forbes’ numbers (1) have included the rights fees actually paid, rather than what the RSDC has ordered to be paid, and (2) don’t include the MASN profit distributions, which will be much lower if the RSDC decision is upheld.
  42. 1 point
    They're very likely to trade Bundy and Givens within the next 2 weeks. And there won't be an immediate MLB contributor coming back either. I don't believe the Angelos family is in dire straits or "so greedy". I believe the plan was to strip it to the studs and build a quality organization. And that will take years.
  43. 1 point
    I don''t care about the big teams money being taken. Its the cause/effect of MLB teams apathy towards fielding competitive teams in lieu of making profit margins. NBA can get away with tanking teams as they are very good at selling starpower. Drawing national appeal. The backbone of baseball is local interest for each team. It's a not a star driven league. Right now,? Baseball is still making more money as a whole. Competitive balance is trending the wrong direction each year though. Most people think baseball will just decline gradually, but i'm worried about a collapse due to a lot of unsustainable factors that are propping it up financially. Like a small percentage kinda thing, all be it.
  44. 1 point
    Steve Adams, MLBTrade Rumors chat ongoing: https://www.jotcast.com/chat/chat-with-mlbtrs-steve-adams-12-3-19-6526.html Good on the Marlins for actually picking up a player who'll make them better in 2020, by the way. The Orioles should take way more crap than they did for making such a blatant cost-cutting move that was plainly designed to lose more games in 2020. I'd be pretty pissed off if I were an O's fan.
  45. 1 point
    A prolonged period of AT LEAST 8 years where we maybe have one losing record in a down/injury year, one or two barely over .500 record seasons, and the rest of the seasons 85+ with at half of those over 90, in contention into September the vast majority of the years, make the playoffs 50% or more of the years, and then whatever happens in the postseason happens. (Obviously going out in the first round of the postseason in such a stretch would be frustrating and disappointing, just ask a Nats fan, but you have to build a team to GET INTO the playoffs and then let the chips fall where they may in the postseason). In other words, a good long period as a "perennial contender" similar to what the Cardinals have been.
  46. 1 point
    Frobby and I have disagreed about this, but I think it’s all about what a team is willing to pay. Every team wants to avoid overspending, and the feeling is that our Johnathan in there Kevin weren’t worth the money they were going to get. It is unreasonable to think that they didn’t attempt to trade them, ergo they must not of had any trade value. The simple fact is that a 4WAR player is not worth $10 million. Now he might be worth $10 million to a contending team, but that contending team probably has already acquired a player of the same quality or greater and doesn’t need to spend the $10 million. I think the article is incorrect. It’s not about saving money, it is about not wasting money, which is a different attitude, even if the resulting activity looks the same.
  47. 1 point
    Yes, let's use wild, off-the-wall, once in a generation outliers as justification for moves. The O's came very close to losing out on a six-win season from Steve Pearce, but luckily 29 other teams let him pass through waivers multiple times because they didn't see it coming, either.
  48. 1 point
    What does Davis have to do with Villar? Trading Villar means saving about $10M. Releasing Davis doesn't do anything besides keeping people from talking about him. You'll still owe him over $60M. It's all style over substance.
  49. 1 point
  50. 1 point
    I posted some time ago that the most obvious way to lower the 2019 payroll is to move Villar. I support this decision by Elias with the following thoughts: - arbitration is about figuring out a player's value under that system and then comparing that number to the one provided by the team and the one provided by the player. Villar was probably going to be paid between $8M-$10M under that process. Not a big incremental jump. The incremental Ws provided by Villar to this team would improve our w-l record and hinder our ability to have a poor record and top 2020 draft position. - Someone posted that Villar's 4 WAR season was impacted by a very large number of at-bats. I doubt teams valued Villar at 4 WAR. Probably they valued him somewhere around 1-1.5 incremental WAR over their best internal option. - I trust that Elias has been trying to trade Villar since last year's trade deadline or before with no takers so far. Holding onto Villar with the intention of dealing him during the season is too big a risk IMO. - I don't know if there are other internal investments to make or if the savings from losing/dealing Villar will be reinvested in the team, but it would not surprise me if the value of a Rule V pick plus the saved $ has more value to the post 2020 Os than Villar's production. - there will be plenty to enjoy next year at the major league level including the 2019 performers plus Hays and the expected early promotion of Mountcastle, possibly Diaz and hopefully a couple of pitchers. This is what a cold-blooded (soul-less) front office decision looks like.
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