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  1. https://www.mlb.com/orioles/news/trey-mancini-2021-al-comeback-player-of-year
    3 points
  2. I would say you greatly overrate Mullins. I do like him, and am not in any big hurry to trade him, but I’d always be willing to listen.
    3 points
  3. Handley is what he was advertised defensively but he can't hit. Probably the best overall defender at catcher in the system, better than Rutschman especially throwing, but he's been pretty much a zero at the plate. Daschbach is a bit of stiff power guy for me. More muscle power than quick bat, he did show nice power at Bowie but it came at a price. Not sure he's going to be able to show a consistent enough stick for 1B and he's Mancini like outfielder.
    2 points
  4. I don't think he was healthy at any point in the season. Vertigo, dizziness, blurred vision. All bad signs particularly from someone who has a history of head trauma. I wouldn't be shocked if his career is effectively over.
    2 points
  5. Nope. Not worried about signing some washed up dude to teach the #1 prospect who led his team to the CWS and then every minor league team since. Adley will be just fine. If he needs a coach. Hire one. I'm guessing the O's take 2 or 3 guys. I'd be cool with a young C if the description is accurate, but I kind of doubt it really is. I love the idea of stashing the guy with TJ surgery, but would really be ok with a lot of profiles from different positions. Arms seem easiest though. Find a live one or two and hope.
    2 points
  6. I think he’s worth more in July or next offseason if he has another year like 2021 or at least something close to it. But we just don’t know what he will be in 2022. It would irresponsible of Elias to not shop him. Doesn’t mean he has to trade him but you have to shop him. As I said before, if a team(s) is valuing him as a 5ish WAR guy with a cheap contract and a lot of service time left, that would likely mean the package is too good to pass up and you have to make the move.
    2 points
  7. 2 points
  8. My favorite memory of him was his 3 home run game in Texas when the 3rd one bounced up and was about 2 feet from my glove. Thank you Pedro for the MASN air time.
    2 points
  9. I really think Martin was a case of Elias being like, "oh god there are no shortstops anywhere in this organization", lol.
    2 points
  10. Baltimore Orioles foundational piece D.L. Hall (three plus pitches, below-average control) was the big name added to the team’s 40-man, while several players acquired via trade during the long rebuild — contact-oriented utility man Terrin Vavra (acquired from Colorado in the Mychal Givens trade), starter/relief line slider monster Kyle Bradish (Angels, Dylan Bundytrade), low-slot lefty Kevin Smith (Mets, Miguel Castro) — were also added. Vavra and former high-profile amateur prospect Lucius Fox(claimed from Kansas City) both bring feel for contact, speed, and defensive versatility to the club,
    1 point
  11. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/looking-for-a-match-in-a-kevin-kiermaier-trade.html This is an article about Kiermaier but it highlights the teams that could/are looking for a CFer. Now, I’m not sure all of them would actually be in the market for a CFer, much less one at Mullins expected value but it does show that there are a lot of potential suitors out there and how a bidding war could occur should the Os decide to shop him.
    1 point
  12. Here’s a possibility for a trade. The Braves just signed Manny Pina two a two year deal and they already have Travis D’Arnaud under contract for two years as well. So, it appears their 23-year old backup William (I’m not Wilson) Contreras is expendable. He played 52 games last year, basically at replacement level but he was a rookie and maybe has room to grow, and probably wouldn’t cost much. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/contrwi02.shtml
    1 point
  13. Let's wait til the non tender deadline and see if anyone else comes available.
    1 point
  14. Suzuki sounds as good as anyone else. Just no Wynns or Sisco. The person shouldn’t be playing much after the first few weeks of the season.
    1 point
  15. I think that there are real things that can’t be quantified. One is a manager’s contribution to wins. Another is a players leadership. Frank Robinson added more than hits to the ‘66 Orioles, but I can’t put a number on it. I’m not saying that having a better team around someone can help help any individual be a better player. But I know one player made that team better and not just through his own play on the field. Just saying there are something’s you can’t assign a numerical value to.
    1 point
  16. How does the Mullins' data prior to last year mean anything anymore. He broke out/developed.
    1 point
  17. Westburg had a 976 OPS at Bowie in Sept. If he does that in April in Bowie he will be Norfolk in May. A few months of hitting well a AAA gets him called up to the O's. I think now that Adley will be with the O's promotions of key prospects happen faster. Kind of put the future in place and let them play together. If the CBA changes the service time issue there will be no reason to hold Westburg down.
    1 point
  18. I'm not sure if its quantifiable, and not trying to be contrarian, but from a pitcher's point of view, you know the situation, and you know who is on deck. 2 outs and nobody on, if a good hitter is up and a Mendoza line scrub is on deck, I'm not giving into to the good hitter, no reason to throw him a strike, he has no "protection". If the guy on deck mashes, i'm not going to want to face him with runners on, so I'm going to have to throw strikes to try and get the hitter out, thus he is "protected". Again, is this quantifiable? Not sure.
    1 point
  19. I’ll be very surprised if Westburg is in the majors at any point in 2022. I’d certainly hope to see him in 2023. I don’t think that necessarily impacts a decision on DeJong, however. We have three holes in our infield and Westburg can fill one when he’s ready regardless of whether DeJong is here. And, we also can trade DeJong away when our prospects are ready. I’m not necessarily advocating that we pursue DeJong, but I don’t think Westburg is a reason not to do it.
    1 point
  20. That's doubtful. I don't know what roster he has to be protected on but I'll imagine he will be placed on that roster to keep him protected. Fenter is another guy that just struggles to find consistency and his stuff fell off for a me a bit though I never really had good video of him him previously. Burns has a decent slap hitting line drive approach at the plate and can look smooth at times in the field, but he made way too many errors and there's really not much pop there at all. A good year though could potentially get him on the scene as a utility guy.
    1 point
  21. Looks like the good Gillaspie showed up. There were times last year that I wondered, who is this guy, then he'd come out and have no idea where anything was going. Guess it doesn't hurt to protect an arm like this, but he really has to find that consistency during the season as his double-A stats will attest to. Everyone needs to remember, Connor Green throws 98 sometimes too, and has a great slider at times, but again, he can never find consistency.
    1 point
  22. IMO, I think Elias is trying to architect this rebuild - or whatever you want to call it- by doing it from the minor leagues and prospects stockpiled by our own resources (draft and development) and minor trades. I don't get the feeling that he's going to move a star player for additional pieces. He's traded guys like Bundy and Villar and Cashner, guys that are somewhat decent but he's not traded someone who some could consider a cornerstone piece in order to diversify talent. This kind of ties in with the narrative here about wondering if Elias can really be an MLB GM. I don't th
    1 point
  23. Well he's right. I mean, support your claim dude. It's basic sports message board arguing 101. Make a claim...if you get challenged support it. Don't get pissy pants because someone asked you to back up a statement. Sheesh.
    1 point
  24. Asking you to support your claims is arguing? Lol
    1 point
  25. Mullins has more value for a team expecting to compete in 2022 than he does for a team that is hoping to compete in 2024.
    1 point
  26. WTH? You make a claim, I ask you to support it and you attack me?
    1 point
  27. I'd love for you to provide some evidence that lineup protection is an actual quantifiable thing.
    1 point
  28. My gut says it's a great time to sell high on him. I don't think any of us think he can replicate what he did last year. Wouldn't be looking to move him, but would be listening.
    1 point
  29. Ding ding ding. This is the thing. If Mullins was expensive, or about to be expensive, then I think there's a much better chance of a trade. But for now, he's part of a nice core that - IMO - Elias feels good about keeping together, in large part because they are mostly cheap as a group. We'll see, but to me it would be somewhat of a shock for Elias to trade Mullins right now. He's working to build more through the draft and development, and less through trading young assets. The young assets I expect him to trade are guys who are blocked or excess depth. Not blockbusters at this s
    1 point
  30. I am fine with listening on Mullins. But the return has be to a blockbuster.
    1 point
  31. I think folks hoping for a Mullins trade are going to have a long winter. I agree the O's should shop him, and probably will at least listen to offers, but my gut says they keep him.
    1 point
  32. Well, I definitely don’t assume that Mullins will post a 4-5 WAR season. If he did, I think that would increase his trade value significantly compared to what it is now, even though he’d be under team control for one less year and his pre-Arb years would be over. But let’s say he has a 2.5 - 3 WAR season. Then I think his value is probably down compared to where it is now. Looking at Mullins’ 2021 season, in the first 81 games he was worth 4.0 rWAR and had a .941 OPS; in the second half he was worth 1.7 rWAR had an .811 OPS. So do you think the “real” Mullins is the first half
    1 point
  33. I think he was maligned just the right amount. 😉 I just didn’t enjoy watching his work behind the plate. The position is called “Catcher” and he didn’t do that well at all.
    1 point
  34. You trade him if the return is surplus value and makes sense. There should be zero players, including Adley (though practically, you don't actually trade him) who are off limits. I like some of the suggestions with the Marlins for a deal including Max Mayer. Seattle could make sense too if Kelenic is seen as more of a corner OF.
    1 point
  35. Was really impressive to see what Gillaspie did last night in the AFL Championship game. Jonathan Mayo thought so too. https://www.mlb.com/news/top-performers-in-afl-championship
    1 point
  36. It's not special, but just really steady. He can make all the plays and while he's not flashy, he'd be a solid average major league shortstop and above average second baseman.
    1 point
  37. High strikeout, low walk total for a guy with well below average power and then you add in that he doesn't bring in any defensive value any where. Just not a guy for me. Maybe he's one of those guy that hits AA and hits better, but he needs to up his game in many areas.
    1 point
  38. Good for him. And still no problem with designating him for assignment.
    1 point
  39. I appreciate how Severino allowed a passed ball so Means wouldn't have to live with the pressure of having thrown a perfect game.
    1 point
  40. This isn’t really a “Orioles Talk” topic, but I want to make sure everyone sees it. So bite me. Anyway…Yesterday, I got an Apple notification that my OH annual subscription was about to renew, and if I wanted to cancel I better do so right then. No chance. Since the demise of Camden Depot, Orioles Hangout is the only place to get regular, reasonable and deep insight into Oriole activities, and I’m very grateful for Tony’s efforts, and very happy to renew my subscription. Even the cantankerous folks…and you know who you are…remain a useful part of this location, and I’m grateful for
    1 point
  41. They've got coaches. I think the analytics department does a lot of the heavy lifting that veteran catchers used to do.
    1 point
  42. So there were 16 players taken not by the O’s in 2020. You really think 25% of the rule 5 draft will be from our system? Look how many other teams couldn’t protect org top 30 players because they are actually trying to win and therefore hamstrung with that when it comes to the 40 man. We have this debate every year. Who ever we ever lost? Zach Pop. Am I missing anyone else? Losing Ji Man Choi and Yermin Mercedes in the milb portion of the Rule 5 hurt more. Lol
    1 point
  43. My guess is their statistical algorithm flagged a guy so they are taking him regardless of need.
    1 point
  44. Some interesting guys there, though I can't imagine Mike would take a catcher. Last year before the Rule 5 draft, I read a lot of articles that detailed the best prospects available. I don't think Sceroler or Wells were even mentioned. It's very unpredictable. This year, I think I'll just wait and see who Mike takes and then look them up.
    1 point
  45. A catcher doesn’t seem like a bad idea. By the time AR is deemed “ready” then there will be an idea of what a rule 5 guy can bring and if he’s worth keeping.
    1 point
  46. I'd like for them to put a professional MiLB TV broadcast together. They had the worse broadcast by far of any affiliate that I watched with few cameras and not even an announcer. If I was Ripken I'd be embarrassed that I'm the owner of a team that is so bare bones run.
    1 point
  47. https://www.orioleshangout.com/2021/11/16/26-reed-trimble/
    1 point
  48. Our most recent 2nd round pick. Third overall pick last year for us. Can play CF. Was an eligible Fr. If @Tony-OHhas him over Haskin and Watson, then I think we’re still in the upside portion of the list. Those have been two guys that were drafted in similar positions, that play CF, and Trimble ranks above them.
    1 point
  49. "Roy"has nothing to do with it. Youre a great person with a ton of courage...but crying is good...even healthy. Remember...Im the one who "makes em cry"....
    1 point
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