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  1. Do you know how many drug dealers are in prison because someone who worked with them was "under high stakes pressure from the state and possibly facing jail time?" This happens every day in criminal courts across the nation. In this case, I doubt Bigbie bought himself any extra credit by naming Brian Roberts.
  2. Forgiving and believing are two different things. To me, it's easy to understand why people would be quicker to forgive Brian Roberts than some other random player, in light of all the good, charitable work the guy has done and the fact that he has no other blemishes on his record. Believing him is a tougher call (though I've chosen to give him the beneift of the doubt, myself).
  3. No queston he lied before. But that was still a more general, non-specific denial. Particularly given the context, this statement is so definitive and specific that if it turned out to be false I would see it as much worse than his prior denials.
  4. Well, you should care. Because there are little kids running around with Brian Roberts' jersey on their back, and his poster on their walls. And I could forgive Brian for making a mistake back in 2003, but I woud not be able to forgive him if it turned out he was lying now.
  5. Barry Bonds did it. Roger Clemens did it. Rafael Palmeiro did it. And most everyone believes Mark McGwire did it. So where do you go with this, insofar as the Hall of Fame is concerned? I have to admit, I am having a hard time with this one, mostly because there are so many players where we will never know if they used steroids or not. If I could draw a bright line with steroids/HGH users on one side and non-users on the other, I'd gladly keep the users out of the Hall of Fame. But that isn't possible. So where do you draw the line? Do you have to be convicted in a criminal case? Named in the Mitchell Report? Have a positive drug test? Give evasive answers at a Congressional hearing, without ever admitting anything? Get named in Canseco's book or Grimsley's affidavit? Just look like the type? And what about the guys we never suspected? What happens when we learn, after a player is in the Hall of Fame, that he used PEDs (or that there is serious evidence that he did). This one isn't easy.
  6. So - do you buy it? Brian used steroids one time in 2003, realized it was wrong, and never did it again? And no other PEDs? Call me gullible - I'll buy it.
  7. It's true, and 9 of his 18 homers were in April. I feel strongly that his steroid use and his fluky HR year are unrelated. Basically the guy had one month where all the breaks went his way.
  8. If the guy puts up an .850 OPS and plays hard every day (which is his reputation), that's all I ask.
  9. From the Houston MLB.com site: http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071212&content_id=2324247&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
  10. Frobby

    Some News

    Good point. Dodger pitchers put up a .414 OPS in 289 AB. Take those out and the Dodgers probably were better.
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    Some stuff

    That we might need to sweeten the deal by throwing in a prospect to get the Cubs interested. That's a lot more doable after the haul from the Tejada trade.
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    Some stuff

    Great report, as always. I find this whole Kuroda thing bizarre, since he is highly unlikely to be anywhere near as good as Bedard. Seems to me you either want an ace, or you don't.
  13. I would say that, if anything, the stuff about Roberts in the report was less than what might have been feared. If I was a GM who had wanted Roberts on Wednesday, I'd actually be relieved today.
  14. What would he prefer, do you think? Does your guy have any insight on that?
  15. I don't know anyone here who would rather discuss the Mitchell Report than a solid trade rumor. Give us some fuel, and it will burn like a blazing inferno! I hope you are right about Pie. He fits our needs very well.
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    Does he have the balls to get in front of the cameras himself and unequivocally deny it? I doubt it.
  17. I think most people are missing the point of this report. It wasn't intended to be, and isn't, a comprehensive and definitive report on every player who ever used PEDs. It's a detailed investigation to verify the scope of the problem, and most importantly, to make concrete proposals about how to address the problem. Very similar to a Congressional committe report before legislation is enacted, which is probably the main reason Senator Mitchell was selected to do it. I have not read the report yet, but I will. And I supsect that Senator Mitchell put some procedures in place to protect against any allegations of Red Sox bias. It's his report but I'm sure he had other experienced people with no Red Sox ties working on it.
  18. If I am not mistaken, the use of steroids is not a crime at all. That is why Barry Bonds has been indicted for perjury, not for using steroids. Distribution of steroids without a prescription is a crime. Federal investigators were present at the interview because they are gathering evidence against the distributors, not the users. The point here is that Larry Bigbie was not avoiding criminal liability when he cooperated with investigators, because he wasn't going to be accused of a crime. His only obligation, like Bonds in the grand jury, was to be truthful. So its a bit ridiculous to call Bigbie a rat for telling the truth, when failing to tell the truth is the only thing that could get him in serious trouble. I'm not accusing Roberts of being a criminal. This isn't a criminal matter, so far as he is concerned. And if you don't want to believe Bigbie's sworn testimony, that's your prerogative. But there is nothing improper about putting it in Mitchell's report.
  19. And as a trial lawyer, I can tell you that if I was prosecuting Brian Roberts for using steroids, I could put Larry Bigbie on the witness stand, he could testify that Brian Roberts told him that he had injected himself with steroids, and that the testimony would be admitted into evidence. Admissions against interest are an express exception to the hearsay rule, accepted for hundreds of years in our courts, and are used every day to prove facts and throw people in jail or find them civilly liable to pay money damages.
  20. Since Bigbie's steroids evidence apparently relates to 2003, it's hard to see what that has to do with Brian's uptick in HR's in 2005. I think Brian's 18 HR's in 2005 were NOT the result of him suddenly taking steroids. It was just one of those fluky things, fueled by 9 HR's in April. If he was on steroids, how come he never hit more than 3 HR's in any other month that year? The effects of steroids don't appear and disappear that fast. I believe Brian may have used steroids, but his HR total from 2005 is a separate issue.
  21. Blueberry, your love for Brian Roberts is clouding your take on this issue. What did Larry Bigbie "save himself" from? How did he "protect his own sorry butt?" What consequence would he have faced that he isn't facing now? If Bigbie had played for another team, or had given the same information about a player you didn't like, I doubt your reaction would be so strong, and you'd be more focused on the fact that there was a serious chance that the player accused of cheating had, in fact, cheated. As for me, I accepted long ago that Gibbons and Roberts might have taken steroids at one time. That's a huge mistake, and it tarnishes them somewhat. As with Gibbons, I'm willing to forgive Brian and move on. He has shown he's still a good player now that there is stricter testing, he'sa model citizen in the community, and he's a good teammate. And even though I couldn't care less about his dimples or his cute butt, those other reasons are enough for me to forgive him and contunue rooting for him (even if he gets traded).
  22. Frobby

    Orange Throat?

    After Miggy's comments about Roberts yesterday, and vice versa, any doubt about that was removed.
  23. This is the real point of the Mitchell report, and it's why they picked a former Senator to conduct the investigation. The point here is not to ferret out every player who ever possibly used steroids, but to learn enough to make recommendations about what more MLB can do to eradicate the problem. It's just like a Congressional investigation in that regard. And there will now be enormous pressure on MLB and the union to adopt these recommendations.
  24. Frobby

    Troy Patton

    1. I have little doubt that Snyder will reach the bigs. He just led the Hawaiian league in hitting despite being younger than average for that league. Combine that with a strong 2nd half last year at Delmarva and he is on track. 2. I don't think "sniffing the bigs" is really a criterion. Jeff Fiorentino has "sniffed the bigs." 3. That said, I agree Patton ranks ahead of Snyder right now.
  25. In the leadoff spot, OBP is much more important. However, I could go Soriano/Roberts or Roberts/Soriano. Both have their advantages.
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