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  1. 4 hours ago, glenn__davis said:

    If Adley starts 2021 in Aberdeen, I will run naked around Camden Yards.

    (Assuming he's not rehabbing from an injury or something weird like that.)

    I hope you understood that OriolesMagic83 was assuming that Aberdeen will be our high A team next year.    He wasn’t saying Rutschman could go to short season ball.    

    As to whether Adley starts in A+, I tend to doubt it, for the reasons stated in the OP.    But it’s not so unlikely that I would threaten to run naked at OPACY if it occurred.   I wouldn’t want to subject anyone to that spectacle.   

  2. Yeah, I’m not into that kind of behavior.   You can’t throw your bat like a spear after hitting a homer and then complain when the opposing pitcher throws his hat after a teammate makes a great catch to end an inning.   

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  3. 38 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

    Agreed, and I wasn't necessarily disputing Palmer's assertion in regard to Bedard. Rather that Cuellar (even more so than Palmer and McNally) was the pitcher who drove them crazy the most with his stuff.

    I was more of a McNally guy, but they were both superb.  Cuellar was super-crafty and really kept hitters off balance, plus he was one of the rare pitchers who threw a screwball.   

  4. 22 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

    I for one am amazed he managed to do well without proving himself at every minor league level first.

    I’m pretty sure we won’t be seeing Weathers on the Padres’ opening day roster next year.    And I’m glad he had a successful 1.1 innings in a high pressure situation, but I wouldn’t conclude that he’s ready to be a major league pitcher based on that one outing.     Obviously, the Padres did think he could be useful as a reliever in the short term without disrupting his development.    So, good for him.  

  5. Sports Guy elsewhere posted this nice article on Gunnar’s experience in summer camp:


    Though the article is mostly about Gunnar, I enjoyed this line:

    “He was a sponge when around top prospect Adley Rutschman, who by the end of the camp was an impossible out and constantly hitting the ball out of Prince George’s Stadium.”


  6. 8 hours ago, OFFNY said:



    My cousins are Yankee fans that grew up in West Springfield, VA. They said that the Orioles pitcher that drove them crazy more than anyone was Mike Cuellar. The Orioles batter that they were tortured by the most was Brooks Robinson.

    I think saying Bedard had the best stuff of any O’s LH starter is different from saying he was the best LH starter.    Command and pitchability also come into play.   Not to mention longevity.    

    Best rWAR seasons by an O’s LH starter (only the best season for each starter is listed):

    McNally 1968 5.8

    Bedard 2007 5.7

    McGregor 1983 5.3

    Cuellar 1969 4.4

    Flanagan 1979 3.8


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  7. 5 hours ago, wildcard said:

    From what I have read:

    AAA Norfolk will stay because its the only park in the O's system the qualifies as a AAA park

    AA Bowie will stay because its the only park in the O's system the qualifies  as a AA park

    The GCL Orioles will remain as a Rookie League.

    Aberdeen will stay because it a great facilities and if the O's does not field at team in the Short A NY Penn league  Aberdeen will move up to an A or A+ League.

    Frederick was on the initial cut list but Delmarva may be in the discussion if the O's cut at team.  I think the Nationals would be interested in picking up either location and cutting Hagerstown.

    The information so far seems that the O's will have  AAA, AA, A+, A and Rookie teams.  The location of the A+ and A league team are under discussion.

    My understanding is that the rookie league is likely to disappear.   And Aberdeen will move up to a higher league.   Which full season team disappears in favor of Aberdeen is not completely clear.   

  8. 53 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:


    11-1 .92 ERA

    What’re those, his HS stats?

    Comparing his 2019 season to Grayson, both in low A:

    Weathers 22 starts, 96 IP, 3.84 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, 8.4 K/9, 1.7 BB/9

    Rodriguez 20 starts, 94 IP, 2.68 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 12.4 K/9, 3.4 BB/9

    Quite a leap from low A to a major league playoff game. 



  9. 50 minutes ago, weams said:

    Jake Arrieta, Chris Carpenter, Roy Halladay, Sandy Koufax, Curt Schilling

    Fair enough.   I still think the majority show up pretty quickly.   

    By the way, the “multi quote” function where you check the box in the LH corner of the posts you want to quote hasn’t been working on my phone the last week or so.   

  10. 8 hours ago, ScGO's said:

    I still say A.  I do see Hall and Rodriguez as potential TOR guys.  Remember, Hall and Rodriguez were both 3 years younger than the average age at Frederick and Delmarva.  Combine that with what I believe the O's new pitching philosophy and development is now, and I believe we have something special in these two.  Its just going take another 4 or 5 years for them to truly "arrive."  

    I believe they each have TOR potential.   Having that as a ceiling, and actually reaching it, are two different things.    Yes we have a appear to have a good development system, but there are a million things that can keep a pitcher from reaching his potential, from injuries to lack of plus command to lack of superior mental makeup.   Being a TOR pitcher has so many elements that have to fall into place just right.    

    Saying that, I don’t think it will take us 4-5 years to know.    If this season had been played, I would have expected Hall to reach the majors by 2022 at latest, Rodriguez 2023.    Maybe sooner than that, and their 2020 experience facing good, relatively experienced hitters may not have hindered their timetable; we’ll have to see.  And I can’t think of many TOR pitchers who took several years to become good starters once they reached the majors.   Most of them show it quickly.   

  11. 11 minutes ago, wildcard said:

    I think the O's gradually improve in 2021 and get a big boost from AR and Rodriguez in 2022.   They will be contender in 2022. 

    Patience is required.

    I think most O’s fans would take that in a heartbeat.    One more year of being bad or mediocre followed by being a contender?   Sign me up!    I do think next year’s team will be interesting to watch, to see how the younger players develop.   

  12. 1 hour ago, Philip said:

    I don’t disagree with that, but I don’t think the owners are  being cheap. They want a good ROI. Except for Nelson Cruz, all of our high dollar free agents have been fiascoes, I mean fiascoes for the ages. Not just Davis but Gallardo Cashner and Miley and Jimenez and Trumbo(yes he had 47 homers, but his defense was so horrible he only had a 2.7 WAr) and so on. 

    Of the high dollar ($20 mm+) FA contracts we’ve signed, most have turned out poorly.   The two major exceptions were Rafael Palmeiro (1994-98) and Miguel Tejada (2004-09 but traded after 2007).    If you want to go under $20 mm, Alomar’s 3/$17 mm deal in 1996-98) was a good deal.

    Here’s an analysis I did of every $20 mm+ contract the Orioles ever gave out, including the ones that were extensions of existing players (so not free agent contracts).


  13. On 9/25/2020 at 2:58 PM, OFFNY said:

    Santander won it (thanks for the info, Sports Guy.)


    This is mildly reminiscent of when Erik Bedard led the American League in Strikeouts-Per-9 Innings (10.929), Hits-Per-9 Innings (6.973), and was among the league leaders in Strikeouts (221) in spite of having missed the final 5 weeks of the season due to injury.

    Well, not that reminiscent.  Emphasis on “mildly.”

    But I looked it up and Bedard finished third in strikeouts, behind Kazmir (239) and Santana (235).   As of the date Bedard got hurt, he was ahead of Kazmir by 32 strikeouts and Santana by 23.    He was in very good position to win the strikeout title before his injury.   

    If I’m not mistaken, no (modern) Orioles pitcher has ever led the league in strikeouts.    That was our best shot.  (I added “modern” to head Drungo off at the pass.)


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  14. 40 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

    This is a good question btw and, as a group, we are probably being a little too optimistic.

    The question is, where will the improvement come from?  The team is already telling you to be disappointed this offseason. They aren’t spending money, at least not anything more than a few million.      

    All of the improvement is going to have to come from the young players improving.  That can obviously be very substantial and it is what I’m expecting when I say they are going to win 70-75 games.  However, the defense isn’t strong right now and most of the young arms are still inconsistent at best.  

    It’s a shame they won’t spend because I think added an established bet closer type guy to the pen would do wonders.

    I always wait a while before voting in a poll I started, so as to not influence the early voting.   But honestly, based on the team right now, I’d bet the under.   

    One huge factor besides improvement of the young players is whether Mancini returns and is in top form.   I do not think he’s likely to be in top form, even assuming he’s healthy, but if he were, that would make a big difference.   Yes we have depth at the spots where he’d play, but at his best he’s a better hitter than those other players (except maybe Mountcastle, and we certainly can fit both those guys into the lineup at the same time).

  15. On 9/30/2020 at 9:23 AM, Can_of_corn said:


    I disagree that the Union would need to be involved.  This to me sounds like something that is an owners only issue. 

    I could see them adding it to a CBA since it would be a convenient time to add it but that doesn't mean it would be subject to the collect bargaining process.

    I think the bottom line is we don’t know if the players get a say or not about this under the CBA.   

  16. 3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

    This upsets me so.

    Zero chance you don’t know this goes on all the time.  This is obviously an issue you have with Elias and are allowing that to cloud your thoughts here.

    There is a reason the MLBPA wants this rule changed.  It’s not because of 1 or 2 players.

    For both you and Can_of_corn: have a look at this thread I did last offseason.    I’m working on a deeper dive right now that I’ll post later.    


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