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  1. Hey Magicbird Small Ben and Steelers will be losers the next few seasons. Have fun watching a 500 team and missing the playoffs.

    My first thought was this guy was the Steelers troll from a few months back who said Flacco would never win a SB and then got himself banned. Forgot his name.

    Anyway, regardless, a lot of people here need to stop feeding the troll. He's succeeding in what he came in the thread to do.

  2. Ah..... I remember the days when the Ravens section of this board used to be really, really good.

    Ravens fans, at least most of them, understand Joe's value. Most outsiders, who don't watch him play every week but are in fantasy football leagues, do not. That and people hate to admit they are wrong. So people who had the preconceived notion that Flacco was not very good, couldn't win a big game, etc, instead of manning up they still find a way to discredit him. Even some Ravens fans fall into that category.

    Someone earlier said it best, one of the top 2-3 organizations in the NFL, are the ones who made the decision to pay Joe what they paid Joe. That is enough for me.

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  3. Care to back that up with evidence of some kind?

    FilmStudy, who posts here occasionaly, pretty regularly gave Oher mediocre- poor grades throughout the year. It looks like he hasn't done his OL season evaluation yet but I would bet on Oher getting a poor grade.

    Also, I can't find anything through google but I believe I remember reading somewhere that Oher was one of the lower graded LT this year from one of those sites like PFF or FO.


  4. A Chicago media outlet has us taking this guy.

    and this guy in the 2nd.

    I like Art Brown.

    Another name i'll throw out is Margus Hunt. Could be an immediate Kruger replacement.

  5. If Ogletree is there at 32 the Ravens will draft him IMO. I dont think he will be there.

    He's a headcase and he's not an ideal 3-4 ILB. He' not a great Ravens fit on either of those levels. Again, I don't think the Ravens draft any of these guys at 32 but of the three(Ogleetree, Minter, Te'o) I actually think he's the least likely to end up a Raven.

    He's got the speed that the other two don't which is his only advantage. The other two are smarter, better leaders, and better tacklers.

  6. It's difficult comparing stats from different eras. Today's game is so much different then it was in the 80's.

    To a point. Still, QB rating minimize that difference a decent amount. Yes, it's much more likely to see 4000+ passing and 30+ TD passes now than 20-30 yrs ago. But QB ratings factor in more than just fantasy passing numers. I'll also point to the same playoff record through 13 games. Now, again, Montana had an extra ring on his finger and ended up being brillant from that point on, particularly in the playoffs. Montana actually had a stretch in the mid 80s where he didn't play well in the playoffs losing twice to the Giants and once to the Vikings and playing poorly in those games. It was really the second 2 SB runs and late 80's/ early 90s where Montana cemented his legacy as the GOAT. Again, I have no expectations of Flacco playing like Joe Montana from this point on in his career, though like a lot of other Qbs as they get older, he'll start to put up better pure stats. Ala Roethlisberger, Eli, and even Brady. Brady over his first 6 years, btw when he's won all of his titles, wasn't a great fantasy style QB. His first 6 years the most TD passes he threw was 28 and his QB rating mostly in the mid to high 80's.

  7. My point is that you jumped on what I said as if I was making a direct 1:1 comparison. I figured you might need to know what an analogy is, because that's what I was doing. Using two well known QBs that operated during the same period of time, one of whom was a stat machine, the other a consummate winner with a lot of hardware when he hung them up. Of COURSE Flacco isn't there yet. That wasn't the point. The point was to point out that you can quantify "best" in different ways.

    And it's a good analogy. My first instinct was to use Elway instead of Montana as the second part of the analogy but really Flacco stacks up with Montana better than Elway.

    Granted, different eras here but Joe's stats match up better with Montana than Elways. Elway turned the ball over at a much higher rate than Montana or Joe to this point in his career. If Elway doesn't completely turn around his playoff fate with the last 2 years in '97 and '98 his legacy really is quite different. I never realized how overall "meh" his stats were. Sub 80 Qb rating for his reg season and postseason career with a ton of turnovers.

    Also, I was surprised to see that Montana only threw for 30TDs once in his career and never threw for 4000 yards. In particular, Montana's first 5 years, also through his 27 yr old season, consisted of solid but not spectacular stats. ALso, through their first 13 playoff games they each have a 9-4 record and similar QB ratings. Flacco had a 19/8 TD to INT ratio while Montana was 23/16. The big differnce was Montana had already won 2 SBs.

    Now, from that point on Montana was brillant. He won 2 more SBs. Had a TD/INt ratio of 22/5 and a QB rating around 110. I have no expectations of Joe Flacco producing close to those pure playoff numbers the rest of his career even if he does win more SBs.

    So yes, Joe Montana is the greatest QB of all time but the comparison of Joe Montana to Joe Flacco through 5 seasons or 13 playoff games isn't that crazy. More to the point, it's a fair analogy of say Dan Marino/Montana as it is Matt Ryan to Joe Flacco.

  8. A couple of things:

    1. Austin absolutely will not be there at 32. He'll be a top 20 pick.

    2. I don;t think the Ravens will draft an inside linebacker at 32, especially if they get Ellerbe resigned. Don;t see them drafting any of the guys linked to them at 32. Ogleetree, Te'o or Minter. Now, I think it's possible they trade down from 32 and draft one of them in the 2nd round and or come up from 64 if one of them drops into the mid 50's but I don't think they have any of them as a top 32 player on their board. I think the odds are they draft n ILB in the middle rounds (2-4).

    3. Fluker absolutely can't play LT. he's not good in Pass protection at all. We need a pass protector on that left side even if he's below average in run blocking. Fluker is a very good RT prospect but Oher absolutely can't play LT. If this were a year later, when IMO Oher is likely gone( I don;t think we resign him) I would be all for drafting Fluker as our RT but not this year. Not when we have greater needs than a future RT.

    4. Again, I think the Ravens will be versatile enough to go many different directions come 1st round of the draft. Could see them moving up into the top 25, could see them dropping back into the 2nd round. Could see them taking any number of positions should a player fall. However, if I were to make a prediction about a position combined with players around the area expected to be available I would bet heaviest on them drafting either a DT or S if they stay at 32.

  9. From a pure throwing standpoint Joe is one of the top 2-3 guys in the league. But unlike say Cutler or Stafford who also has great pure throwing skills Joe also is a better decision maker.

    Joe is the ultimate threat in that he can make any throw in any condition or situation. It's why he is always going to give his team a chance late in the season and playoffs, especially if it's outdoors when elements come into play. The bottom line is he'll never have the overall consistency of Peyton, or Rodgers, or Brady, or Brees. Those guys and others will put up better pure passing numbers. However, when playoff football begins Joe it's often a different story. When elements start to come into play, when refs start to let the players play a little more, when big strike plays become that much bigger it brings out the strength of Joe Flacco.

    Brady or Manning, or take a guy like Matt Ryan. Those guys can be effected by playoff football. Ryan and Manning in particular can be effected by the elements if they are playing outdoors. The just don;t have the ability to make all the throws. Smart defenses should take advantage of that. IN the case of Brady, Manning as well, the rely on efficient, long drive offenses. One drop here, one sack there, an incomplete pass and they are in trouble because they are unlikely to hit you with a big play. It's all built on efficiency and playoff football often minimizes that style of play.

    Without question Joe has proven to be a top 5 playoff QB. You can use all the stats you wanna use and take 10, hell 12, other QBs, for your team if you want fantasy numbers . There isn't 5 other guys I would take for playoff football. It's why despite their reg season record, no matter if they have to go on the road or not, you always believe guys like Roethlisberger, Eli, Joe have a chance in the playoffs. People obviously didn't put Joe in that class before this year but he showed you the signs he could play on the road starting his rookie year when he knocked off the #1 seed Titans. It only continued in Pitt in '10, NE in '11. It just all came together this year. People making snide remarks thanking Rahim Moore are conveniently forgetting the Boldin and Houz drops in '10 and the Evans drop and Cundiff miss in '11. Just as unlucky those years as he was lucky this year in Denver.

    How you want to judge QBs is up to you. However, if you are smart and are drafting a QB to win one big game for you'll have Joe Flacco near the top of the list. In the "elite" category.

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  10. Cause if you lose that RB, your season is basically over cause your QB isn't good enough to win games by himself.

    This is what those who over hype non-elite QB's don't seem to understand.

    This is a really bad take. On a few different levels.

    Joe will always have his haters. I can't wait to see how bad it is once he misses the playoffs. It's inevitable, it happens to everyone.

    Oh well, so happy this got done. We have our franchise QB locked up for what should be the prime of his career.

  11. NFP looks at players who shined Sunday at Combine

    1. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia: After slowing elite timed speed running a mid 4.3’s 40, Austin followed it up with an outstanding all around workout. He ran polished routes displaying efficiency and looked professional. Sudden and explosive in his movements, Austin consistently displayed a burst out of his cuts. Plucking the ball cleanly with his hands, Austin showed strong and natural hands. Two NFL scouts we spoke to said that after today’s workout combined with his on-field play at West Virginia that Austin warrants a top 10 selection.


    I am starting to think he won't even be there in the first when we draft.

    He'll go in the top 20.Would not surprise me to see him pass Patterson and Allen as the #1 WR off the board.

  12. BTW....people need to stop laying Boller at Billick's feet. The Ravens had a deal in place and wanted Leftwich. Ozzie got desperate and pulled the trigger on Boller after Minnesota screwed us over. Now, I don't doubt that Billick was in on the decision to trade up for Boller but thats ultimately on Ozzie and his panicking, something he rarely does, after the Leftwich deal fell through. Now, Leftwich wasn't a difference maker at QB either, something people would have undoubtedly blamed Billick for had he played in Baltimore, but he was better than Boller. He likely would have got the Ravens into the playoffs from '03-'05.

  13. The Billick hate absolutely baffles me.

    I'm not the biggest John Harbaugh fan in the world, but he's clearly already done enough to get in the ROH no matter what happens from this point forward.This is such a spoiled fanbase. Will be interesting to see if there is revisionist history on him and his ROH resume should he struggle the rest of his career.

  14. He deserves to be in and he will be in one day.

    Bottom line....Billick has more right to be in than Byner and as much right as McCrary. The precedent has been set on what the min requirments should be. I don't think this should be an Orioles HOF thing where everybody in their brother gets in. The standards should be relatively high and besides Byner they have been. Billick fits the standard. As someone else said, he set the tone for the turn of this organization. If you wanna say he only carried the ball so far before handing it off to let Harbaugh take us further and higher thats fine. I won't argue. But he ran it an awfully long way before handing it off. I think you could make a strong argument for him even without the SB title. The title puts it over the top.

  15. This was a great post in general, but I snipped it to avoid cluttering the thread.

    I wanted to add some thoughts. The Orioles are my first and greatest sports love. They always will be. This site helps me to express and revel in that passion making grow even brighter. However, Baltimore's non-inclusive regionalism is slowly stripping me of some of the little things I love about the O's. The comraderie being primary.

    At some point, it became a sin to be an O's fan, but not a Ravens fan. It somehow makes you a second class fan. Not everyone seems to feel that way, but certainly enough folks that it's unproductive. The classless bragging in this thread certainly doesn't engender goodwill. It's divisive to our fan base.

    Feel free to continue flaming. I'll be in my bunk.

    Just in case anyone is wondering, this "Ravens troll" is still kicking. I'm not sure where the vitriol comes from. I still believe the Ravens are getting old. I still don't think they are the best football team.

    But as we've seen time and time again, if you get hot at the right time, you can win the super bowl. They did both and I congratulate them.

    If anyone wonders why folks have a low opinion of Ravens fans, they can reference this thread for the answer. For those of you that have won with class, I'm happy for the joy this season has brought to you and please know the previous sentence does not apply to you.

    With all the bravado I've heard you spill over time, I'm shocked that you choose to play the victim card.

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  16. Honest question??? DO we know for sure the murders weren't self defense?? I mean thats the tatic the defense used right. The jury couldn't find them guilty right?? I honestly don't remember much about the murder cases of Sweeting and Oakley so if I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong. Bottom line is Ray has said before. Wrong time, wrong place, wrong people. Not just the people in his group but being out so late, in the wrong part of Atlanta and interacting with the wrong people..

    There is nothing to say that Ray isn't home every night praying for the familys of those involved that night. That when he puts his head on his pillow at night that that night doesn't weigh heavily on his mind.

    I don;t want it to come of Like I'm defending Ray or anyone who may have brutally stabbed two men to death. We just don't know enough about that night. Do I think Ray panicked and did some things directly aftyer the murder that were obstruction. Absolutely. Do I want to believe he regrets everything about that night. Absolutely. I just don't know, nor does anyone else who can't get inside of Ray's mind, what that night did to him. How sorry he is and how much it changed his life.

  17. Honestly I think an inferiority complex there's that cut along both lines. As it relates to Redskin fans it boils down to simple jealousy because the Ravens have been run like a model franchise, from top to bottom, for a decade and the results on the field have proven that. Flip it around and I think as it relates to Raven fans, it's because the Redskins are still the #1 dominate, in terms of media coverage in the DMV area, team in the area and they probably have a larger fan base in said area. It may stem from when the Mayflower vans had gone off to Indy, during that time there was a 10 year run where the Redskins were a model franchise and the former Colt fans were probably sick and tired of having the Redskins and their success crammed down their throats constantly and reminding about good football all while they had no real team to root for. Or it's because Colt/Raven fans hate JKC for doing everything to keep Baltimore from getting a football team, even initially trying to build the new stadium in Laurel. Of course he, like Big Pete Angelos, are businessmen first and foremost and owe it to themselves and their minority owners to try to make as much money as possible and if that means keeping competition (Ravens/Nationals) out of their respective backyards then that's what they are going to do.

    Heck, leading up to the SB and even after the game, how many threads were on here complaining about something? Instead of really enjoying and reveling in the fact that the Ravens were in the SB (and won it) instead people had to post about how the national media was disrespecting them, how the deer-antler story was some big conspiracy to get at Ray Lewis, how Jim Harbaugh disrespected the Ravens and the NFL by not wearing a suit and tie to a press conference, how Harbaugh's post-game comments were disrespectful, how Frank Gore's post-game comments were disrespectful, how other 49ers post-game comments were disrespectful, how everyone was out to get the Ravens, how Tom Brady's fine for lifting his leg up at Ed Reed was a travesty because it was the same dollar-amount as Frank Gore's sock fine (nevermind Gore's fine was so high because he was a multiple repeat offender or if Brady had done it to random safety on the Jaguars it probably wouldn't have been an issue), how by bringing up Ray Lewis' past in Atlanta and his missing suit was the worst travesty to do during SB week. Seriously, instead of really enjoying the season the Ravens had up to and after the SB, there were a fair amount of threads and posts finding something to complain about.Of course the irony is, you'd figure Ravens fans (who are also O's fans) would have a little bit of sympathy for Redskin fans, considering both team were/are run by less-than-stellar owners who for a long time seemed to think they were the smartest guys in the room and knew how to run their teams better than the football and baseball men the hired.

    And the last time our beloved Orioles (a team I'm guessing we both root for) won the World Series was in 1983. So what's your point? As to your round-about, back-handed, condescending way of asking about my fandom, when I was born, when I became a Redskins fan, how many games I've been to, how many playoff games I've been too, how long I held season tickets, etc., etc. eh, I certainly don't have to justify any of that to you.

    Cool story, brah.

    This. "Booooooom."

    Bottom line, if Ravens fans really want to come troll on the Redskins subsection of the forum (especially on thread that was initially started by the OP to congratulate the Redskins on a season no one, outside of Redskins fans, expected) and expect all Redskin fans to offer kudos, give internet high-5's, and talk about how awesome the Ravens are, it's probably not going to happen. And if the roles were reversed and the Redskins had just won the Super Bowl and some fans on here went and posted about it on the Ravens subsection, this place would be up in arms.

    I agree with a lot fo this. The inferiority thing does run both ways. As noted the SKins are and have clearly been the inferior franchise for awhile now. Baltimore will always have that chip from the whole JKC expansion thing a along with losing the COlts. The thing here is Baltimore embraces having that chip on their shoulder. Bisciotti in the celebration parade yesterday said " I don;t know how much more success it'll take to lose the chip on your shoulder, but I hope you never do" when addressing the fans. Personally, I wish more fans would lose the chip, but I get the point he was making. That chip is what makes Ravens fans so passionate and loyal.

  18. I am not trolling anything. I am following up on my conversation from earlier in the year. I will have more to say when I am not on my phone.

    If you engage in debate, especially with some of the inflamatory remarks made in this thread, and you come out on top you should be able to call out your opponent. Nothing has been close to trolling in this thread. It's calling people out for over the top remarks.

  19. It was a spot on article. Ray has never told us what really happened in Atlanta. All he ever does is dodge the question. Outside of what Ray has done for the Ravens I have zero use for him as a human being outside of football. He is no role model.

    Again I'll state that I won't pretend to make Ray out to be a saint. That said, I truely believe he has reformed his lifestyle. And as over the top as it may be, that he is very much a God fearing man who believes in what he preaches. I respect that.

  20. As someone noted earlier, Skins fans have this inflated ego of their team and it's place in the NFL hierarchy. Washington has been a good franchise overall but they aren't on the level of Green Bay, or Pittsburgh, or San Fran, or Dallas or the Giants. Not even the Bears if you're including pre SB era.

    Bottom line ...... Washington has 5(2 pre SB era, 3 SB titles) NFL CHampionships. Baltimore teams have 5(2 pre SB titles, 3 SB titles) as well.

  21. Who gives a flying Eff... we're the Champs baby!

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    More Ravens fans need to take this line of thinking. Losers whine and cry and get jealous. Instead of letting all of it bother you, enjoy it. Enjoy flashing all your Ravens Chanpionship gear for the next 3 months.

  22. :skeletor:

    The sad thing is a lot of these "Raven"s fans that were Flacco haters haven't returned at all since the playoffs started. You would think they would be back to at least enjoy the wins and run we've put together even if they can't bring themselves to give Joe props and admit they look silly. it really makes me wonder how many of these guys were really Ravens fans or at least would rather be right about Flacco than see him and the ultimately the team succeed.

    With that said, props to everyone who has been critical of Joe at times(which is completely fair) but has come back to praise him for his terrific postseason run. That shows me the people who are real Ravens fans and only care about winning and don't have an agenda..

  23. Here is the bottom line with Joe. He's a guy who consistently gets his team to the playoffs and has finally proven this year he can not only win a SB, but can carry a team to a SB title. He was clearly the MVP of the playoffs and the biggest reason this team made the run they made. Ultimately, thats all that matters. You know when he gets in the playoffs he's going to give you a chance to win it all. To me he is in the group with Eli and Big Ben. All 3 are going to have stinkers in the reg season as all 3 can be inconsistent at times. None of them put up big reg season fantasy type numbers. However, you know come playoff time, they are going to give their team a chance to win every game they play, no matter if it is on the road or at home. They can win anytime, anywhere in the playoffs. So I guess it depends on how much emphasis you want to put on reg season. It's one of those things where taking in everything, you still probably don't have Joe in the top 5 of Qbs as far as pure rankings. However, its all irrelevant once the playoffs start. There isn't 5 guys I would take over Joe for a playoff run. He's built for playoff football.

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