wildbillhiccup

I think it boils down to money. There's still a chance they resign him, but the situation doesn't seem to be trending in that direction. I think some damage was done when the offered him a huge extension a few years ago and he declined. It was rumored to be an 8 year / $200M deal (prior to 2017).

...and I'd argue that the additional two years in age (for Betts now) balance things out a bit. You could also argue that Machado being able to play shortstop (technically) made him a bit more valuable since there aren't as many 30+ HR shortstops as their are outfielders. Look, it's not a "perfect" comparison, but it's most certainly in the ballpark. And when the dust settles it should give us a better sense of how badly the Orioles did/or didn't mismanage the Machado situation.

Now that the Red Sox seem inclined to trade Mookie Betts I'm really curious to see how things play out relation to how the Orioles handled the Manny Machado situation. It should really give us a great comparison since both players are the same age and roughly the same stature in terms of their skill level. I guess you could make the argument that Betts might be valued a bit more, but they're certainly close. Just something to monitor as the situation progresses.

Is it though? I mean, the batting average and runs scored are nice, but the HRs and RBIs are pretty pedestrian in the era of the hitting shortstops. Definitely not a 1st ballet selection if you take away the celebrity / Yankee lore IMO. Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 1995 21 NYY AL 15 51 48 5 12 4 1 0 7 0 0 3 11 .250 .294 .375 .669 74 18 0 0 0 0 0 6 1996 22 NYY AL 157 654 582 104 183 25 6 10 78 14 7 48 102 .314 .370 .430 .800 101 250 13 9 6 9 1 *6 RoY-1 1997 23 NYY AL 159 748 654 116 190 31 7 10 70 23 12 74 125 .291 .370 .405 .775 103 265 14 10 8 2 0 *6 MVP-24 1998 24 NYY AL 149 694 626 127 203 25 8 19 84 30 6 57 119 .324 .384 .481 .864 127 301 13 5 3 3 1 *6 AS,MVP-3 1999 25 NYY AL 158 739 627 134 219 37 9 24 102 19 8 91 116 .349 .438 .552 .989 153 346 12 12 3 6 5 *6 AS,MVP-6 2000 26 NYY AL 148 679 593 119 201 31 4 15 73 22 4 68 99 .339 .416 .481 .896 128 285 14 12 3 3 4 *6 AS,MVP-10 2001 27 NYY AL 150 686 614 110 191 35 3 21 74 27 3 56 99 .311 .377 .480 .858 124 295 13 10 5 1 3 *6 AS,MVP-10 2002 28 NYY AL 157 730 644 124 191 26 0 18 75 32 3 73 114 .297 .373 .421 .794 111 271 14 7 3 3 2 *6/D AS 2003 29 NYY AL 119 542 482 87 156 25 3 10 52 11 5 43 88 .324 .393 .450 .844 125 217 10 13 3 1 2 *6 MVP-21 2004 30 NYY AL 154 721 643 111 188 44 1 23 78 23 4 46 99 .292 .352 .471 .823 114 303 19 14 16 2 1 *6 AS,MVP-13,GG 2005 31 NYY AL 159 752 654 122 202 25 5 19 70 14 5 77 117 .309 .389 .450 .839 125 294 15 11 7 3 3 *6/D MVP-10,GG 2006 32 NYY AL 154 715 623 118 214 39 3 14 97 34 5 69 102 .343 .417 .483 .900 132 301 13 12 7 4 4 *6/D AS,MVP-2,GG,SS 2007 33 NYY AL 156 714 639 102 206 39 4 12 73 15 8 56 100 .322 .388 .452 .840 121 289 21 14 3 2 3 *6 AS,MVP-11,SS 2008 34 NYY AL 150 668 596 88 179 25 3 11 69 11 5 52 85 .300 .363 .408 .771 102 243 24 9 7 4 0 *6/D AS,SS 2009 35 NYY AL 153 716 634 107 212 27 1 18 66 30 5 72 90 .334 .406 .465 .871 125 295 18 5 4 1 4 *6/D AS,MVP-3,GG,SS 2010 36 NYY AL 157 739 663 111 179 30 3 10 67 18 5 63 106 .270 .340 .370 .710 90 245 22 9 1 3 4 *6/D AS,GG 2011 37 NYY AL 131 607 546 84 162 24 4 6 61 16 6 46 81 .297 .355 .388 .743 100 212 10 6 4 5 0 *6D AS 2012 38 NYY AL 159 740 683 99 216 32 0 15 58 9 4 45 90 .316 .362 .429 .791 114 293 24 5 6 1 1 *6D AS,MVP-7,SS 2013 39 NYY AL 17 73 63 8 12 1 0 1 7 0 0 8 10 .190 .288 .254 .542 52 16 3 1 0 1 1 6/D 2014 40 NYY AL 145 634 581 47 149 19 1 4 50 10 2 35 87 .256 .304 .313 .617 76 182 15 6 8 4 0 *

Trammell also didn't play in NYC...

You might want to stock up on Pepto because I'm fairly certain that he's going to be...

I understand your thinking, but unfortunately Dylan Bundy and Alex Cobb aren't no. 1 starters. If healthy they'd both be "at best" number 4 or 5 starters on that team. And if I was the Padres I'm not sure I'd view either one of them as a bonafide upgrade over who they already have slotted in their rotation. To make any of those trades they would have to want to dump Myers salary more than they want to improve their starting pitching. Givens to the Padres, on the other hand, probably makes more sense. Yates, Munoz, and Givens would be a pretty solid 1, 2, 3 punch out of the bullpen.

This thread rages on, but no one has answered my question. If the Padres trade (or sign) a starting pitching it's going to be a top tier guy to help take to pressure off Paddack.

They already tried that approach and it led to a decade of mediocrity.

Even if he was senile, he's the one who chose to put those people in a position to influence him. I'm pretty sure he was still of sound mind and body when he fast tracked Brady for example.

I like where you're going with this. If Chris Davis' batting average were a tree it would be a neglected bonsai.

I don't know...I'm seen quite a few posts suggesting they sign FAs this offseason. If people honestly believe that's the right approach then they're not on board with the rebuild.

Begs to mind the question. Who would win in a limbo contest? Rosenthal, the Orioles' payroll or Chris Davis' batting average?

I have not problem with it (aside from cutting FanFest), but to be honest I'm sick of reading about other people complaining about it (i.e., suggesting we sign free agents, etc.) I'd much rather read joke-related content.

The Orioles budget is tighter than the string on Fernando Rodney's imaginary bow.