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  1. What this thread should be called: Will the Orioles ever be able to Compete with small Markets like Milwaukee and Cleveland?
  2. I'm thinking San Juan, PR or Santo Domingo, DR would be far better island host cities than a city in Curacao or Aruba. But even then, they're not exactly middle class cities compared to anything in the US or Canada.
  3. Willemstad? Who would watch the games? Tourists, hotel clerks and fishermen? Mexico City is a huge market. But is it a huge baseball market? Do people care about MLB in Mexico City? Or is it all about soccer? And even if they do care is the standard of living high enough for any baseball-loving segment that will watch on local cable TV or pay high prices that can compete with a large American city? Plus there is a long distance to travel for visiting teams -- security problems with Mexico's struggle with violence and drug trafficking, etc. Vancouver or Montreal is more likely. But Montreal is already seen as a non-baseball city with the failure of the Expos. Vancouver makes more sense, but you can be sure the Seattle Mariners will vigorously fight to keep any team out of Vancouver or Portland -- the way the Giants have vigorously fought the A's moving to San Jose. It could take years of legal battling before any team moves to Vancouver or Portland. Moving the Orioles comes with huge risks because it takes a much larger and wealthier population to support an MLB team than a team in any of the other sport. NFL teams only have 16 games a season, compared to 162 for baseball. So the average NFL game has a much higher concentration of viewers than the average MLB game -- by ratio alone theoretically more than 10 times viewers per game. There's a reason only one MLB team has moved in the past several decades -- the Expos to Washington -- because Washington is clearly a bigger and better baseball market than Montreal. Will another team move? If so I'd look for the Marlins to move. Despite a new stadium and two WS wins the past 25 years the team has failed to attract a large fan base.
  4. You sound knowledgeable. Have you crunched the numbers? Please do share.
  5. No it isn't. A new owner cannot just make new distribution deals materialize from nothing. The value of any distribution deal would be determined by the team's market. All of the markets that currently don't have a team are smaller than Baltimore -- with the exception of markets in Canada. Look for those markets to produce distribution deals significantly inferior to MASN and the others. Unless the O's move to New York or LA -- both of which could probably support a third team -- I can't see how any market out there without a team would come close to matching Baltimore. All the other best options are AAAA markets.
  6. What do you mean by "value added of movement"? What value is there moving the Orioles to an inferior market -- especially an inferior local TV market?
  7. Another thing, if the O's moved to Nashville or Charlotte, then look for the Rays to move to Baltimore asap. If the O's moved to the West Coast, then look for the A's to move to Baltimore asap.
  8. That's probably partly because the riots in 2015 started right close to the beginning of the baseball season. Had the riots started in September or October they surely would have affected Ravens attendance. But even when you consider the Nationals have taken a pretty big chunk of the former O's fanbase, the O's still had a better prime time TV rating than the Nationals. In their worst season in recent memory the O's still managed to have a better prime TV rating than more than 10 other teams -- right behind the Rockies. https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2018/07/19/prime-time-tv-ratings-for-each-team-at-the-mlb-all-star-break/#81cac644c4f2 What city other than Baltimore would sit home at night to watch this franchise on TV on their local cable channel? Nashville? Portland? Montreal? Charlotte? Maybe it would be better if the O's moved -- as long they changed the team name after they relocated. Then Baltimore could draw an expansion franchise ... called the Orioles! Might be better than dealing with this current mess of a team -- gives the city a chance to start fresh with a new Orioles team minus the Angelos legacy.
  9. The Baltimore area has nearly 1 million more people than the Nashville metro area. The Ravens average an attendance of over 70,000. The problem is the Orioles, not the city of Baltimore. Nashville is a pretty nice city but won't support a major league team in my opinion. The fans would pack them in for a couple years and then drift away to something else. If the problem were really the city of Baltimore then it would make more sense for the Ravens to leave than the O's.
  10. I agree, and I'm a Dodger fan -- though an Oriole fan first.
  11. Someone must have mentioned this already but you forgot: Red Sox: Steve Pearce, Eduardo Rodriguez Brewers: Josh Hader Braves: Darren O'Day
  12. Glad the O's are rid of Schoop and Machado. The Schoop trade may be one of the worst in Brewers history. I love Schoop but he's not proving to be a special player. Machado is a great player but let him be a tool on some other team, some other team that'll probably regret signing him. The Gausman trade, however, was a terrible one for the O's. Another trade where the O's undervalue their young, controllable pitching. I'm sick of seeing former Orioles pitch in the postseason for other teams. Now it's Josh Hader.
  13. I wonder if the creator of this thread would say the problem with the Ravens is Baltimore? If so let the ceaseless mockery begin. By the way, thank God for the Baltimore Ravens.
  14. I walked blocks upon blocks with my Dad to the old stadium on 33rd Street, and I grew up in Howard County. And you're afraid of the Inner Harbor? What a pussy
  15. Agreed, but it's not that uncommon. I see it at work every day.
  16. And the Gausman trade return was muted by including O'Day's salary dump.
  17. I think Milwaukee is pretty much the smallest market team in just about every area. If not they're quite close. If so then every other team has a bigger market, more money, bigger cable deals. Could be some teams are smaller in some of those areas. It also wouldn't surprise me if the Brewers are much better run than many larger market teams -- including the O's. If there is a team worse run than the O's it's gotta be the Mets.
  18. Baltimore has a bigger market than Milwaukee by a decent margin. Pretty much every other team in the league does. That alone should give us hope. But the Angelos family is very good at smothering hope I think primarily because Angelos didn't really want to be bothered with the fundamentals of building a strong franchise -- the classic Oriole Way. Angelos had that one year where he decided not to trade David Wells and (I think it was) Roberto Alomar. The O's nearly made it to the WS -- therefore Angelos thought he was a baseball savant. He thought he knew more than all the guys that had been doing it all their career. Everything the O's are going through now is the logical consequence of an arrogant owner who got lucky with a couple winning seasons 20 years ago; therefore he knew as much or more than anyone how to win. He thought he could pick horses by his instinct alone rather than hiring the best scouts and coaches to find, draft and groom the best talent in their teens and find value where other teams did not. Angelos has been the opposite of Moneyball. I'm trying to believe that what's happened with all these trades this past summer is the sign of something new. I guess will just have to wait and see, but I think this season's level of epic failure can only last so much longer -- or the O's will go into a financial tailspin forcing a sale of the team.
  19. Nick Markakis is known for his ability to get on base. He has a .380 OBP this year, and the worst OBP he ever had was .329. On the other hand, the best OBP Adam Jones ever had was .335. To top it off, Markakis leads the NL in hits, which is a pretty stunning achievement at any age. Clearly, next to Markakis, Adam Jones is known for other things than getting on base; but I think in this case the higher OBP and the extraordinary number of hits probably leads to an older player get a better contract than the little bit younger player. Jones' skill set may be perceived to be more in decline than it really is, while with Markakis this is clearly not the case. It all depends on whether teams think Markakis discovered something in his swing and made an adjustment -- or whether he just had an unusually lucky season.
  20. They have the money. It's just not wise to spend it if in the middle of a rebuild or, presumably, if trying to sell the team.
  21. Yeah, in retrospect the Gausman trade looks like the terrible trade for Baltimore. He's controllable until 2021. Why trade him now?
  22. Manny hasn't been that great since he joined the Dodgers. He might not get the contract or the team he wants unless he kicks it up a notch. There's a decent chance the Dodgers don't even make the playoffs -- which might work to his benefit since he's cooled off since the trade. But it makes sense for him wanting to play for the Yankees purely from a hitter's pov. Most hitters would rather play in Yankee Stadium half the year over Dodger Stadium. YS is more of a hitter's park than even Camden, while DS is mainly a pitcher's park.
  23. The Manny and Britton trades had to happen, and they were very good trades according to most everyone in the know. The other trades are more questionable, but so are the players we gave up for them.
  24. Yeah, you're right. The 2014 team was the team that had more injuries, especially to Manny and Wieters. It just seems like the 2015 team had a lot of injuries because it was so mediocre.
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