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Who, I ask, is going to pay a "king's ransom" for Bedard?????

With this info in hand, I predict Bedard won't be traded!!!!!

Probably a team that's trying to win the World Series this year or next. Look at what the Braves gave up for Teixeira last year.

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Anyone know when Adam Loewen will be back?

If we don't get a kings ransom for Erik it's not like a rotation of Bedard, Saunders, Loewen, Guthrie, Cabrera would be all that bad.

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Anyone know when Adam Loewen will be back?

If we don't get a kings ransom for Erik it's not like a rotation of Bedard, Saunders, Loewen, Guthrie, Cabrera would be all that bad.

I read somewhere that he's resuming his throwing and is all set for spring training. Sorry I can't verify that though

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Are you high?

<img src = "http://www.allstarssportsacademy.com/trivia/baseball_diamond.jpg">

Look again, 3b has a longer throw almost every time, especially if a SS is ranging up towards second base. The throw in the hole/foul territory for a 3b is way longer than any throw a SS will have to make.

I'll let you play the range card next, want to take a stab at it?

I can't the image to post right, so here's a link.

That's true if the SS is palying close to the line (like positions 1, 2, and 3). Those throws range from 104.4' to 123.9', which are all shorter than the 127.3' from 3B to 1B. But, the SS almost never plays that close to the line. More often, he's much closer to the OF grass. Positions 4 and 5 require a throw to travel 137.2' and 145.5' (longer than the typical 3B throw). And, if the SS has to move to his right to field a ball in the hole, he not only has a longer throw...but, his momentum is also taking him away from the 1B.

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I dont like this!:002_ssad:

Why? Miggy isn't happy in Baltmore, and the team is going nowhere. I like the guy a lot, but at this point, it is time to try something different.

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I like Wood as a part of the package but I am not excited about Saunders. Unless, Kranitz thinks he can help. I like his track record with youngsters.

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Saunder is what he is a back of the rotation starter. He doesn't walk a lot of guys, and he doesn't give up a lot of home runs. He would be a good cheap back of the rotation starter, and he can eat some innings. I'm pretty sure he made our hitters look bad last year, although who didn't.

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All I know is I trust the judgement of MacPhail. Remember their meeting down in Florida not only went over their prospects but other teams prospects. If he and our scouts believe Wood and Saunders is a good return for Tejada then I'll go with their decision.

Does this offer say anything about our plans for Bedard?

They seem to think the Dodgers are being "aggressive". Does that translate into a kings ransom?

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He had an ops of like .570 last year.
BEcause this really means a lot. :rolleyes: He had 194 ab's and only 71 from JUne 1 until the end of the season. He had injury issues I believe. So really, his first 123 ab's(in April and May) were what killed his OPS...He was young and struggled early in his ML career...Gee, that never happens! .
FYI, he hasn't had an ops of +800 since he was in high a ball. His last extended time in the minors in AAA he had an ops of 740. Where is the ops of 800 coming from?
His CAREER MiL OPS is 810..Which is what I said.
I hope you're not foolish enough to put much stock in #s from the low minors a couple of years ago.
In 2005, he posted a 795 OPS at AA at age 21...He had almost 50 XBH...That is not a bad AA season for a 21 y/o. The following year, 2006 in AAA, he was brought up to the majors...He started off the season off very well...Then he was brought up to the majors and barely used. He was terrible in the month of August, partly due to not playing I am sure.

http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pl/430/430947SalPCLb06.html

FWIW, I don't think he's ever going to steal bases w much profeciency- I mean he never has before.
Yea because players never improve any aspect of their game as they get older and get better coaching. :rolleyes:

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Someone call Jtrea and NMS, it's finally heating up ;)

I'm here too, 8 pages later. I am glad a deal is on the table. I doubt the Angels do anything before the Cabrera stuff gets settled, though. I like this deal. I don't know what Moose is thinking. I would have traded Tejada for Wood straight up so I am happy they could be getting another decent SP in the trade.

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Not only is your tone not necessary, but the fact that you are embarrasingly wrong might make you think twice as well. Ask any scout and they will tell you it's more important for a shortstop to have a good arm than a third baseman. Not only does it take the ball longer to get to the shortstop position but that vast majority of the time the throw is longer due to the normal positioning of a professional shortstop deep.

Third base is a reaction position and although the throw from behind the base is probably one of the longest throws an infielder will have to make, it's a rarity.

Shortstops normally have one of the strongest arms on the team. Oh, and I'm not sure where you are going with the range thing but yes, range is a big factor when determining who can be a shortstop and who can't along with arm strength.

Ahh...not only the voice of reason, but an updated photo showing us a kinder, gentler, happier Tony. :D

I've always just accepted that your shortstop generally has the strongest arm in the infield and the third baseman should have cat-like reflexes and coordination. That is, unless you played on a team with me from the ages of 11 to 23, in which case the best arm on the team was either the catcher or the first baseman. :D (looking arrogantly around the room)

Moose's post had me questioning that for a second, but if you print out the image of the infield, establish the printout's scale, and then measure the throws a shortstop might typically be expected to make and compare to those of a third baseman, the shortstop will more often than not find himself with a longer throw.

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