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Send them Arrieta then, because Britton alone won't get the job done.

Do you seriously believe that Arrieta has more value then Britton? (assuming Britton's shoulder isn't ground chuck)

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Arrieta for Smoak makes a lot of sense if you ask me. Both still have some upside and neither has been able to put it together for long periods in the major leagues. I still think Arrieta has some upside, especially in relief, but I think Smoak still could be ok. Look at his September numbers last year.

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I guess I'm just one of those guys that doesnt have a problem picking up a 1B that Texas gave up on. (Hafner, Lee, AGon, Tex, Davis) And fortunately for my peace of mind, I also dont over-value the mediocre "potential" talent this team has been waiting 15 years to have pan out.

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I guess I'm just one of those guys that doesnt have a problem picking up a 1B that Texas gave up on. (Hafner, Lee, AGon, Tex, Davis) And fortunately for my peace of mind, I also dont over-value the mediocre "potential" talent this team has been waiting 15 years to have pan out.

The Rangers "gave up" on Tex?

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Texas didn't give up on Teix, or Smoak for that matter. They traded Teix for a number of key components in their current success.

With Smoak, I think they traded the level of talent they needed to to get and Ace.

If Smoak had fallen out of favor with Texas, he probably would have had a lot less trade value and wouldn't have fetched Lee.

Smoak would probably do just fine if he had stayed in Arlington.

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Texas didn't give up on Teix, or Smoak for that matter. They traded Teix for a number of key components in their current success.

With Smoak, I think they traded the level of talent they needed to to get and Ace.

If Smoak had fallen out of favor with Texas, he probably would have had a lot less trade value and wouldn't have fetched Lee.

Smoak would probably do just fine if he had stayed in Arlington.

Pure speculation. Smoak has issues beyond his home park.

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Pure speculation. Smoak has issues beyond his home park.

Well, let's take a look at some numbers:

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+Home	66	65	256	232	17	46	9	0	4	18	1	0	23	45	.198	.270	.289	.558	67	6	0	0	1	2	2	.228	72	52Away	66	65	279	251	32	59	5	0	15	33	0	0	26	66	.235	.308	.434	.743	109	6	1	0	1	0	0	.257	125	109

He obviously was a better hitter away from Safeco. Although not dominate, he's the equivalent of a 30-home run hitter if he plays all his games away from that park.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+High Lvrge	84		123	110		22	3	0	5	16	0	0	12	29	.200	.276	.364	.640	40	7	0	0	1	2	1	.221	95	74Medium Lvrge	103		174	156		39	6	0	7	19	1	0	17	31	.250	.322	.423	.745	66	2	0	0	1	0	0	.269	127	104Low Lvrge	113		238	217		44	5	0	7	16	0	0	20	51	.203	.273	.323	.596	70	3	1	0	0	0	1	.233	83	67

He certainly struggled in high leverage situations.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+2 outs, RISP	52		65	56		10	0	0	3	15	0	0	9	13	.179	.292	.339	.632	19	0	0	0	0	0	0	.175	94	78

He was not very good with two outs and runners in scoring position.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+vs. Power	78		141	129		22	2	0	1	4			12	34	.171	.241	.209	.450	27	4	0	0	0	1	1	.223	40	34vs. avg.P/F	76		183	165		41	8	0	9	24			17	41	.248	.317	.461	.778	76	4	0	0	1	0	0	.276	136	115vs. Finesse	77		211	189		42	4	0	9	23			20	36	.222	.299	.386	.685	73	4	1	0	1	1	1	.228	109	81

Power pitchers give him fits which could suggest he's got holes in that swing that the better pitchers exploit.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+Inter-League	16	16	66	60	6	11	0	0	2	5	0	0	5	14	.183	.242	.283	.526	17	1	0	0	1	0	0	.200	61	46Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim	15	15	64	56	8	17	3	0	5	11	1	0	8	10	.304	.391	.625	1.016	35	2	0	0	0	0	0	.293	206	181Arizona Diamondbacks	2	2	9	8	1	2	0	0	1	1	0	0	1	1	.250	.333	.625	.958	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	.167	186	156Baltimore Orioles	5	5	22	22	1	6	1	0	0	2	0	0	0	2	.273	.273	.318	.591	7	1	0	0	0	0	0	.300	82	66[b]Boston Red Sox[/b]	9	8	32	29	1	6	2	0	0	1	0	0	3	7	.207	.281	.276	.557	8	0	0	0	0	1	0	.273	73	49Chicago White Sox	8	8	33	27	4	8	0	0	1	2	0	0	6	7	.296	.424	.407	.832	11	2	0	0	0	0	0	.368	158	133Cleveland Indians	7	7	29	28	1	6	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6	.214	.241	.214	.456	6	1	0	0	0	0	0	.273	42	22Colorado Rockies	2	2	8	8	1	3	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	3	.375	.375	.750	1.125	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	.500	235	165Detroit Tigers	5	5	19	17	2	2	0	0	1	3	0	0	2	3	.118	.211	.294	.505	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	.077	54	40Kansas City Royals	4	4	19	16	3	3	0	0	2	4	0	0	2	5	.188	.316	.563	.878	9	0	1	0	0	0	0	.111	164	126Los Angeles Dodgers	3	3	12	12	2	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	.250	.250	.250	.500	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	.375	55	49Minnesota Twins	10	10	37	34	1	5	1	0	1	1	0	0	3	8	.147	.216	.265	.481	9	1	0	0	0	0	0	.160	47	25[b]New York Yankees[/b]	4	4	15	15	1	6	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	5	.400	.400	.600	1.000	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	.556	203	172Oakland Athletics	18	18	74	68	5	8	2	0	2	6	0	0	6	15	.118	.189	.235	.424	16	1	0	0	0	0	1	.118	30	24San Diego Padres	6	6	25	20	2	2	0	0	0	1	0	0	4	5	.100	.240	.100	.340	2	0	0	0	1	0	0	.125	10	0San Francisco Giants	3	3	12	12	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1	.083	.083	.083	.167	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	.091	-49	-52[b]Tampa Bay Rays[/b]	9	9	37	33	1	4	1	0	0	2	0	0	3	12	.121	.189	.152	.341	5	1	0	0	1	0	1	.182	7	8Texas Rangers	18	18	75	66	13	21	4	0	4	11	0	0	9	14	.318	.400	.561	.961	37	2	0	0	0	1	0	.354	192	167[b]Toronto Blue Jays	[/b]4	3	13	12	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	3	.167	.231	.167	.397	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	.222	26	7WP lt .500	42	40	163	147	11	27	3	0	4	10	0	0	14	37	.184	.258	.286	.543	42	2	1	0	1	1	0	.215	68	46WP of .500+	90	90	372	336	38	78	11	0	15	41	1	0	35	74	.232	.304	.399	.703	134	10	0	0	1	1	2	.254	114	99

He wasn't very good against the AL East last year minus a decent 15 ABs against the Yankees.

He's see around league average pitches per plate appearance (3.87 to major league average 3.82) over his career, but makes a productive out only 24% of time (32% is major league average).

So what I see if is a flawed hitter who has some holes, but who may just need a fresh start in a friendlier hitter's ball park like Camden Yards. Still, I'm not giving up Matusz or Britton for him and would only grudgingly send Arrieta because he may need a fresh start as well.

If I could get him for a guy like Patton I would make that move, but Arrieta for Smoak makes sense for both teams.

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Well, let's take a look at some numbers:
Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+Home	66	65	256	232	17	46	9	0	4	18	1	0	23	45	.198	.270	.289	.558	67	6	0	0	1	2	2	.228	72	52Away	66	65	279	251	32	59	5	0	15	33	0	0	26	66	.235	.308	.434	.743	109	6	1	0	1	0	0	.257	125	109

He obviously was a better hitter away from Safeco. Although not dominate, he's the equivalent of a 30-home run hitter if he plays all his games away from that park.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+High Lvrge	84		123	110		22	3	0	5	16	0	0	12	29	.200	.276	.364	.640	40	7	0	0	1	2	1	.221	95	74Medium Lvrge	103		174	156		39	6	0	7	19	1	0	17	31	.250	.322	.423	.745	66	2	0	0	1	0	0	.269	127	104Low Lvrge	113		238	217		44	5	0	7	16	0	0	20	51	.203	.273	.323	.596	70	3	1	0	0	0	1	.233	83	67

He certainly struggled in high leverage situations.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+2 outs, RISP	52		65	56		10	0	0	3	15	0	0	9	13	.179	.292	.339	.632	19	0	0	0	0	0	0	.175	94	78

He was not very good with two outs and runners in scoring position.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+vs. Power	78		141	129		22	2	0	1	4			12	34	.171	.241	.209	.450	27	4	0	0	0	1	1	.223	40	34vs. avg.P/F	76		183	165		41	8	0	9	24			17	41	.248	.317	.461	.778	76	4	0	0	1	0	0	.276	136	115vs. Finesse	77		211	189		42	4	0	9	23			20	36	.222	.299	.386	.685	73	4	1	0	1	1	1	.228	109	81

Power pitchers give him fits which could suggest he's got holes in that swing that the better pitchers exploit.

Split	G	GS	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	ROE	BAbip	tOPS+	sOPS+Inter-League	16	16	66	60	6	11	0	0	2	5	0	0	5	14	.183	.242	.283	.526	17	1	0	0	1	0	0	.200	61	46Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim	15	15	64	56	8	17	3	0	5	11	1	0	8	10	.304	.391	.625	1.016	35	2	0	0	0	0	0	.293	206	181Arizona Diamondbacks	2	2	9	8	1	2	0	0	1	1	0	0	1	1	.250	.333	.625	.958	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	.167	186	156Baltimore Orioles	5	5	22	22	1	6	1	0	0	2	0	0	0	2	.273	.273	.318	.591	7	1	0	0	0	0	0	.300	82	66[b]Boston Red Sox[/b]	9	8	32	29	1	6	2	0	0	1	0	0	3	7	.207	.281	.276	.557	8	0	0	0	0	1	0	.273	73	49Chicago White Sox	8	8	33	27	4	8	0	0	1	2	0	0	6	7	.296	.424	.407	.832	11	2	0	0	0	0	0	.368	158	133Cleveland Indians	7	7	29	28	1	6	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	6	.214	.241	.214	.456	6	1	0	0	0	0	0	.273	42	22Colorado Rockies	2	2	8	8	1	3	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	3	.375	.375	.750	1.125	6	0	0	0	0	0	0	.500	235	165Detroit Tigers	5	5	19	17	2	2	0	0	1	3	0	0	2	3	.118	.211	.294	.505	5	0	0	0	0	0	0	.077	54	40Kansas City Royals	4	4	19	16	3	3	0	0	2	4	0	0	2	5	.188	.316	.563	.878	9	0	1	0	0	0	0	.111	164	126Los Angeles Dodgers	3	3	12	12	2	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	.250	.250	.250	.500	3	0	0	0	0	0	0	.375	55	49Minnesota Twins	10	10	37	34	1	5	1	0	1	1	0	0	3	8	.147	.216	.265	.481	9	1	0	0	0	0	0	.160	47	25[b]New York Yankees[/b]	4	4	15	15	1	6	0	0	1	2	0	0	0	5	.400	.400	.600	1.000	9	0	0	0	0	0	0	.556	203	172Oakland Athletics	18	18	74	68	5	8	2	0	2	6	0	0	6	15	.118	.189	.235	.424	16	1	0	0	0	0	1	.118	30	24San Diego Padres	6	6	25	20	2	2	0	0	0	1	0	0	4	5	.100	.240	.100	.340	2	0	0	0	1	0	0	.125	10	0San Francisco Giants	3	3	12	12	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	1	.083	.083	.083	.167	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	.091	-49	-52[b]Tampa Bay Rays[/b]	9	9	37	33	1	4	1	0	0	2	0	0	3	12	.121	.189	.152	.341	5	1	0	0	1	0	1	.182	7	8Texas Rangers	18	18	75	66	13	21	4	0	4	11	0	0	9	14	.318	.400	.561	.961	37	2	0	0	0	1	0	.354	192	167[b]Toronto Blue Jays	[/b]4	3	13	12	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	3	.167	.231	.167	.397	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	.222	26	7WP lt .500	42	40	163	147	11	27	3	0	4	10	0	0	14	37	.184	.258	.286	.543	42	2	1	0	1	1	0	.215	68	46WP of .500+	90	90	372	336	38	78	11	0	15	41	1	0	35	74	.232	.304	.399	.703	134	10	0	0	1	1	2	.254	114	99

He wasn't very good against the AL East last year minus a decent 15 ABs against the Yankees.

He's see around league average pitches per plate appearance (3.87 to major league average 3.82) over his career, but makes a productive out only 24% of time (32% is major league average).

So what I see if is a flawed hitter who has some holes, but who may just need a fresh start in a friendlier hitter's ball park like Camden Yards. Still, I'm not giving up Matusz or Britton for him and would only grudgingly send Arrieta because he may need a fresh start as well.

If I could get him for a guy like Patton I would make that move, but Arrieta for Smoak makes sense for both teams.

So where would you have him hit in the order. Is he the MOO bat the O's are looking for in your opinion?

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I've read most of the posts on this topic but didn't see the following that appeared yesterday;

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/12/24/3800718/mlb-rumors-orioles-justin-smoak-interest

I would prefer LaRoche but am okay with a Arrieta for Smoak deal. It looks like a LaRoche and the Nats deal will either get done this week or fall apart.

I like Smoak and think coming back to the east coast (South Carolina guy), shorter fences and knowing Wieters will help him. This should happen quickly once LaRoche makes his decision. Has it been established the Orioles were negotiating with him? If he's not on their radar then Smoak will probably happen quickly. We've discussed this numerous times on here but rating the 1B's that might be avaialble I'd rate in the following order. All are lefthanded;

LaRoche

Hosmer

Smoak

Any of these three would be better than having Davis at 1B this season. We still need at least one right handed power bat.

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I've read most of the posts on this topic but didn't see the following that appeared yesterday;

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/12/24/3800718/mlb-rumors-orioles-justin-smoak-interest

I would prefer LaRoche but am okay with a Arrieta for Smoak deal. It looks like a LaRoche and the Nats deal will either get done this week or fall apart.

I like Smoak and think coming back to the east coast (South Carolina guy), shorter fences and knowing Wieters will help him. This should happen quickly once LaRoche makes his decision. Has it been established the Orioles were negotiating with him? If he's not on their radar then Smoak will probably happen quickly. We've discussed this numerous times on here but rating the 1B's that might be avaialble I'd rate in the following order. All are lefthanded;

LaRoche

Hosmer

Smoak

Any of these three would be better than having Davis at 1B this season. We still need at least one right handed power bat.

There's a significant drop off from Hosmer to Smoak.

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I've read most of the posts on this topic but didn't see the following that appeared yesterday;

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2012/12/24/3800718/mlb-rumors-orioles-justin-smoak-interest

I would prefer LaRoche but am okay with a Arrieta for Smoak deal. It looks like a LaRoche and the Nats deal will either get done this week or fall apart.

I like Smoak and think coming back to the east coast (South Carolina guy), shorter fences and knowing Wieters will help him. This should happen quickly once LaRoche makes his decision. Has it been established the Orioles were negotiating with him? If he's not on their radar then Smoak will probably happen quickly. We've discussed this numerous times on here but rating the 1B's that might be avaialble I'd rate in the following order. All are lefthanded;

LaRoche

Hosmer

Smoak

Any of these three would be better than having Davis at 1B this season. We still need at least one right handed power bat.

Smoak is a switch-hitter. Has done a bit better as a right handed batter than as a left handed batter.

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