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HHP: Tracking the Fifth Starter Competition

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Kind of negative aren't we? Maybe Jake and Brian are inconsistent because they're young. Lots of good players stumble at first. The way I see it, is that if someone can be that dominant for even some of the time, they have the potential to be really good.

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I am in the no trust camp with Jake as well. I look at his ST performance so far kind of like Jake Fox. Deceiving. Sure there are no runs given up but too many pitches thrown, too many walks and still a real issue with a difference in results between the wind up and the stretch. If he gets the 5th spot I don't see him sustaining it. I see him taxing the bullpen too much yet again.

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Show of hands on who is still upset we didn't sign Joe Saunders. If we had there would be no room for either Matusz or Arrieta (or Johnson) in the rotation. I wonder how he is doing in Seattle?

6 and 2/3rds innings, 9 runs (7 earned) on 13 hits with two walks and two strikeouts.

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Show of hands on who is still upset we didn't sign Joe Saunders. If we had there would be no room for either Matusz or Arrieta (or Johnson) in the rotation. I wonder how he is doing in Seattle?

6 and 2/3rds innings, 9 runs (7 earned) on 13 hits with two walks and two strikeouts.

Part of signing Saunders was about having enough depth to trade pitching for a MOO bat. Which the O's still need. I wouldn't put to much value in Joe's ST stats. He has a long history of knowing how to pitch. The other reason to sign Joe was to pitch in the playoffs. He seems to be pretty good at it.

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First sign of who's really ahead in the 5th starter competition. Brian Matusz to start Sundy in a minor league game. If he was going to the bullpen they wouldn't keep stretching him out. If he was still competing for the 5th spot, it would be odd not to pitch him against ML players this late in the spring. I'm sure many will disagree and I could be very wrong, but Brian Matusz is your 5th starter.

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I think the spot is Brian's to lose. I don't think Buck trusts Jake either. And I think Matusz allows Buck & DD to keep McFarland.

The person who deserves to make the team and won't is Steve Johnson.

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Show of hands on who is still upset we didn't sign Joe Saunders. If we had there would be no room for either Matusz or Arrieta (or Johnson) in the rotation. I wonder how he is doing in Seattle?

6 and 2/3rds innings, 9 runs (7 earned) on 13 hits with two walks and two strikeouts.

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Part of signing Saunders was about having enough depth to trade pitching for a MOO bat.

A prerequisite for trading pitching for a middle of the order bat is that the pitchers must have either had sustained success in MLB or not have any MLB experience and be considered top prospects. They didn't want to trade Bundy or Gausman and they couldn't get a good hitter for Arrieta, Matusz or Tillman without further sustained MLB success. Saunders would have hindered not helped trading for a middle of the order bat.

His ST stats were merely an aside, I expect him to be somewhat decent, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if one of Arrieta, Matusz or Johnson were better, and they wouldn't have had the opportunity to start if Saunders was here.

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A prerequisite for trading pitching for a middle of the order bat is that the pitchers must have either had sustained success in MLB or not have any MLB experience and be considered top prospects. They didn't want to trade Bundy or Gausman and they couldn't get a good hitter for Arrieta, Matusz or Tillman without further sustained MLB success. Saunders would have hindered not helped trading for a middle of the order bat.

His ST stats were merely an aside, I expect him to be somewhat decent, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if one of Arrieta, Matusz or Johnson were better, and they wouldn't have had the opportunity to start if Saunders was here.

I agree. With Arrieta and Matusz's value down with other GMs, DD needs to boost it to trade some pitcher for a MOO bat at the deadline. That may be part of the reason the O's didn't aggressive go after Saunders when the final decision on Saunders was made. The other reason was probably money.

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First sign of who's really ahead in the 5th starter competition. Brian Matusz to start Sundy in a minor league game. If he was going to the bullpen they wouldn't keep stretching him out. If he was still competing for the 5th spot, it would be odd not to pitch him against ML players this late in the spring. I'm sure many will disagree and I could be very wrong, but Brian Matusz is your 5th starter.

Great insight - I have a hunch you're right. I heard that Buck likes to "hide" his starters away during the last part of spring training, letting them pitch against MiLB teams instead of the lineups they're about to face in-season.

Wow. That would have to be the story of spring training if Matusz reenters the rotation. I did not see that one coming.

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First sign of who's really ahead in the 5th starter competition. Brian Matusz to start Sundy in a minor league game. If he was going to the bullpen they wouldn't keep stretching him out. If he was still competing for the 5th spot, it would be odd not to pitch him against ML players this late in the spring. I'm sure many will disagree and I could be very wrong, but Brian Matusz is your 5th starter.

I agree, that is BS's tell. I think it is more of a lefty vs righty than BM vs JA (or SJ). I still believe they should trade Jake. His value will not increase with a demotion. There has to be some teams that are dealing with a lack of pitching but have a blocked position player.

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McFarland has now retired 18 of his last 19 batters and is getting hot at the right time. The Orioles have been impressed and there is a good chance the team finds a way to keep the Rule 5 pick. It seems a long-relief role is what management has in mind, given the length of his last two outings.
Britton was pulled after 1.2 innings in which he allowed five runs on seven hits and two walks in Wednesday's spring training game.

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Britton had been in competition for the last rotation spot. However, as he was already one of the underdogs for the spot, this is the start that is likely going to be his undoing. Britton now has a .310 average against and a 1.65 WHIP in 10.1 innings this spring.

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First sign of who's really ahead in the 5th starter competition. Brian Matusz to start Sundy in a minor league game. If he was going to the bullpen they wouldn't keep stretching him out. If he was still competing for the 5th spot, it would be odd not to pitch him against ML players this late in the spring. I'm sure many will disagree and I could be very wrong, but Brian Matusz is your 5th starter.

Well this is not a exact science but here is a shot at it. From reading Roch's Blogs:

1) Matusz and Tillman are both supposed to pitch on Sunday. That is not a good sign for Matusz because Tillman is already in the rotation.

2) It looks like Hammel will pitch on the 27th. That gives him 5 days rest (not 4) on the last turn before opening day.

3) Chen pitches tomorrow (Sat) which lines him up to pitch one day after Hammel on the 28th. That makes sense as the #2 starter.

4) Tillman pitches on Sunday which line him up on for the 29th and the 3rd starter

5) Gonzo pitched on the 20th, his next turn would be the 25th and then the 30th.

6) So whoever pitched on the 21st is tentatively lined up for the 5th starter. That is Arrieta.

I have no dog in this fight. I am fine with S. Johnson, Matusz or Arrieta. But the way they are currently lined up it looks like Arrieta is the logical choice.

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Interesting comments from Buck about how 8 of the 9 K's were from the stretch and he was having trouble with the windup.

Fix one leak, another one springs up.

Come on, man. So, he was supposed to strike out 18 or something? Equal number from the stretch and windup? Buck for whatever reason continues to point out every aspect of Jakes performance that isn't up to snuff. Would you really complain about his line if that were a regular season game? I mean really, "I know he struck out 9, but not enough were from the windup." Jake threw 65 out of 88 pitches for strikes after being told he was getting behind too much. Last year people constantly banged on him for how he pitched out of the stretch. Now maybe he's made an adjustment and we have to find another reason to knock him down.

I'm not surprised. I saw this most of last year with Tillman, but when a guy has success lets enjoy it for a second. I know, it's tough.

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What do you think, Weams? Matusz as the 5th and McFarland as the long man. What's your take on Arrieta?

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