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I'd be fine with trading him at the deadline or taking the draft pick for him after next season. I don't wanna throw $10M a year at Patterson.

CPat shouldn't require $10 mm/yr right now. If he repeats his 2006 performance in 2007, then he might. But remember that in next winter's CF market, he is the 4th option at best. So he is gambling quite a bit if he decides not to sign an extension this winter.

Therefore, I'd like the O's to try to extend him this winter. For tactical reasons, I'd try to sign Roberts and Bedard first. I realize those guys are further away from FA, but whatever deal Patterson gets, Roberts will feel he is enititled to more.

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I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I don't see getting Jones (so long as we don't give up much) as necessarily a poor solution for 2007. If the FO believes that Reimold will be a starter in LF by 2008 with Fiorentino as a good 4th outfielder option, wouldn't it make sense to fill the spot with a shorter term solution that doesn't cost us much in the way of prospects?

This is the key...The cost of him. I don't think we could get him without giving up at least Olson or Liz and no way do i do that.

If we could get him for Finch and Majewski, i am fine with that because at least he could play CF in 2008 when/if we lose CPat.

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CPat shouldn't require $10 mm/yr right now. If he repeats his 2006 performance in 2007, then he might. But remember that in next winter's CF market, he is the 4th option at best. So he is gambling quite a bit if he decides not to sign an extension this winter.

Therefore, I'd like the O's to try to extend him this winter. For tactical reasons, I'd try to sign Roberts and Bedard first. I realize those guys are further away from FA, but whatever deal Patterson gets, Roberts will feel he is enititled to more.

Well, GMAt shouldn't have either and Pierre shouldn't have required 9 million but it happened.

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Speed ages more quickly than any other attribute. Corey Patterson without speed is a flat-chested, brown-haired Pamela Anderson.

So yes, a five-year deal for Patterson is that bad.

What's wrong with brown hair?;)

Do you really expect Corey to lose that much speed by age 32?

I would prefer to keep it below 5 years too, but wouldn't have a problem at all with 4 years.

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Bad analogy. I think I'd still take her.

You have odd taste in women. Other than her "assets" she is not that appealing. Of course, if her bank account comes with the deal that's another story.

But since you didn't like the analogy, Patterson without speed is like Tim Wakefield without a knuckleball.

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Well, GMAt shouldn't have either and Pierre shouldn't have required 9 million but it happened.

GMat is coming off a career year. Pierre is coming off a pretty typical year for him and you know what you are getting from one year to the next. If CPat waits until next year, he takes the risk of a drastic downturn such as he had in 2005.

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You have odd taste in women. Other than her "assets" she is not that appealing. Of course, if her bank account comes with the deal that's another story.

What about her hepatitis C?

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You have odd taste in women. Other than her "assets" she is not that appealing. Of course, if her bank account comes with the deal that's another story.

But since you didn't like the analogy, Patterson without speed is like Tim Wakefield without a knuckleball.

I take umbrage with that remark. I have eclectic tastes in women.

Tim Wakefield without a knuckleball? That's VaTech!

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...whatever deal Patterson gets, Roberts will feel he is entitled to more.

I also think the lavish middle relief salaries being passed around set standards for what quality regulars will want. It isn't too hard to see the "Baez" becoming an uncomfortable fit in the team's salary structure as Bedard and Roberts near FA, and Ray nears arbitration.

Frankly, a small added incentive to pursuing a Ray for a big bat scenario would be then Baez fulfilling a role that most players would feel is more commensurate with his salary.

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Bad analogy. I think I'd still take her.

Really? I thought blonde hair and a big chest were the only reasons anyone knew she existed. I don't think she's all that either way.

I have a brother-in-law who actively (and successfully) encouraged his wife to get fake blonde hair and a boob job so she'd look like Pamela Anderson. She was a homecoming queen before that. Strange things women will do sometimes...

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