St Louis Post-Dispatch : Best Shortstop Fit for the Cardinals is JJ Hardy

[RZNJ]

For the simple and obvious reason that the Orioles have not made the kind of move that you seem to be advocating. The Orioles, on the other hand, have let the Cardinals know that a Miller for Hardy deal is possible. The Cardinals have declined. That is what we know.

I have no clue what you are even saying now. What move do you claim that I am advocating? See, you assume that because I think Hardy will never get you Miller and that the Cardinals would be fools to make such a move, that means that am advocating Hardy for Lance Lynn, which I am not.

[tntoriole]

I have no clue what you are even saying now. What move do you claim that I am advocating? See, you assume that because I think Hardy will never get you Miller and that the Cardinals would be fools to make such a move, that means that am advocating Hardy for Lance Lynn, which I am not.

What move would you want to see happen, if any. Just curious?

[weams]

I have no clue what you are even saying now. What move do you claim that I am advocating? See, you assume that because I think Hardy will never get you Miller and that the Cardinals would be fools to make such a move, that means that am advocating Hardy for Lance Lynn, which I am not.

But Cardinals fans would be. Because the deal would be slanted their way. No matter the results.

[Number5]

I have no clue what you are even saying now. What move do you claim that I am advocating? See, you assume that because I think Hardy will never get you Miller and that the Cardinals would be fools to make such a move, that means that am advocating Hardy for Lance Lynn, which I am not.

Fine. We are in agreement then. Thank you.

[Migrant Redbird]

But Cardinals fans would be. Because the deal would be slanted their way. No matter the results.

Hardy for either Shelby Miller or Lance Lynn would be terribly one-sided, in my opinion, unless Hardy signs an extension or the Orioles throw in some more players.

There are Cardinals fans would like to move Lance because of "Lynning" (his tendency to have one inning in most games in which he struggles). They acknowledge that if Lynn can get past that one inning, he's virtually undefeatable.

Even Bob Gibson seemed to have "Lynning" problems at times, but that didn't stop him from having a BIG career. It's far too early to project Lynn as another Gibson, but he's well on his way in terms of wins at age 26 with 33 in his first two full seasons.

I think Lynn has room for improvement in his maturity and composure. With that, he would establish himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball. So I'm just fine with the Orioles not having any interest in him. However, I doubt if that is true.

[OrioleMagic]

Does anyone see the trade with the Angels as precursor to a trade for Hardy?

[Migrant Redbird]

Does anyone see the trade with the Angels as precursor to a trade for Hardy?

No, it's more likely a precursor to a trade of Taveres to the Rangers for Profar. Adding Bourjos and Grichuk gives the Cardinals more outfield depth. Moving Taveres keeps him from competing with Craig in RF and lets Adams -- the superior defender -- play first base full time.

This presumes the Rangers traded Kinsler to free up payroll for bidding on Cano. That's not my theory, but it seems to be a popular one.

MLB just suggested the Rangers might move Andrus in place of Profar. That would free up even more payroll to go after Cano.

[tntoriole]

Hardy for either Shelby Miller or Lance Lynn would be terribly one-sided, in my opinion, unless Hardy signs an extension or the Orioles throw in some more players.

There are Cardinals fans would like to move Lance because of "Lynning" (his tendency to have one inning in most games in which he struggles). They acknowledge that if Lynn can get past that one inning, he's virtually undefeatable.

Even Bob Gibson seemed to have "Lynning" problems at times, but that didn't stop him from having a BIG career. It's far too early to project Lynn as another Gibson, but he's well on his way in terms of wins at age 26 with 33 in his first two full seasons.

I think Lynn has room for improvement in his maturity and composure. With that, he would establish himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball. So I'm just fine with the Orioles not having any interest in him. However, I doubt if that is true.

Spoken like a true Cardinals fan.

[tntoriole]

Hardy for either Shelby Miller or Lance Lynn would be terribly one-sided, in my opinion, unless Hardy signs an extension or the Orioles throw in some more players.

There are Cardinals fans would like to move Lance because of "Lynning" (his tendency to have one inning in most games in which he struggles). They acknowledge that if Lynn can get past that one inning, he's virtually undefeatable.

Even Bob Gibson seemed to have "Lynning" problems at times, but that didn't stop him from having a BIG career. It's far too early to project Lynn as another Gibson, but he's well on his way in terms of wins at age 26 with 33 in his first two full seasons.

I think Lynn has room for improvement in his maturity and composure. With that, he would establish himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball. So I'm just fine with the Orioles not having any interest in him. However, I doubt if that is true.

Maybe a bag of balls that you guys are not using for the Gold Glove shortstop, Silver Slugger would be not "terribly one-sided".

[tntoriole]

Hardy for either Shelby Miller or Lance Lynn would be terribly one-sided, in my opinion, unless Hardy signs an extension or the Orioles throw in some more players.

There are Cardinals fans would like to move Lance because of "Lynning" (his tendency to have one inning in most games in which he struggles). They acknowledge that if Lynn can get past that one inning, he's virtually undefeatable.

Even Bob Gibson seemed to have "Lynning" problems at times, but that didn't stop him from having a BIG career. It's far too early to project Lynn as another Gibson, but he's well on his way in terms of wins at age 26 with 33 in his first two full seasons.

I think Lynn has room for improvement in his maturity and composure. With that, he would establish himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball. So I'm just fine with the Orioles not having any interest in him. However, I doubt if that is true.

Or maybe we could throw in Chris Davis and Matt Wieters along with Hardy for that Bob Gibson clone, Lance Lynn.

[RZNJ]

What move would you want to see happen, if any. Just curious?

Sorry, I didn't see this earlier. I would be very interested in Shelby Miller IF he's available. If the Cardinals want Hardy then I would include Hardy and see what else it would take but I would not include Gausman or Bundy in the deal. Although Lance Lynn is probably better than we are giving him credit for, I'm not falling for Migrant Redbird's continued hard sell on his number of wins. I want Miller.

[section18]

I want Miller and Bourjos just obtained from the Angels. We will have to add one or two players to the deal.

[weams]

There are Cardinals fans would like to move Lance because of "Lynning" (his tendency to have one inning in most games in which he struggles). They acknowledge that if Lynn can get past that one inning, he's virtually undefeatable.

We had a guy. Jake Arrieta. He would look good for a few innings too. Real good actually. Bob Gibson is one of my favorite pitchers of all time.

[nyjimbo]

Hardy for either Shelby Miller or Lance Lynn would be terribly one-sided, in my opinion, unless Hardy signs an extension or the Orioles throw in some more players.

There are Cardinals fans would like to move Lance because of "Lynning" (his tendency to have one inning in most games in which he struggles). They acknowledge that if Lynn can get past that one inning, he's virtually undefeatable.

Even Bob Gibson seemed to have "Lynning" problems at times, but that didn't stop him from having a BIG career. It's far too early to project Lynn as another Gibson, but he's well on his way in terms of wins at age 26 with 33 in his first two full seasons.

I think Lynn has room for improvement in his maturity and composure. With that, he would establish himself as one of the best pitchers in baseball. So I'm just fine with the Orioles not having any interest in him. However, I doubt if that is true.

If you are going to try to make your point by comparing Lynn to one of the greatest pitchers of all time I feel you've lost alot of credabilitity. Wondering if you're old enough to see Bob Gipson pitch.

[tntoriole]

If you are going to try to make your point by comparing Lynn to one of the greatest pitchers of all time I feel you've lost alot of credabilitity. Wondering if you're old enough to see Bob Gipson pitch.

Bob Gibson was a combination of Nolan Ryan and Greg Maddux in 1968. He had frightening stuff with pinpoint accuracy. Best pitcher I ever saw throw in a game. 1.12 ERA, NL MVP. He threw a stretch in that season of 99 innings and gave up 2 runs (one on a wild pitch and one on a bloop double just inches inside the line or otherwise he would make the scoreless inning streaks of Drysdale and Hershiser look pitiful.)