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I would love to get Santana but does this mean Davis and Weiters are gone for sure? I personally would resign Davis but not Weiters. Just curious what everyone thinks. Does that mean Tillman is not signed?

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I would love to get Santana but does this mean Davis and Weiters are gone for sure? I personally would resign Davis but not Weiters. Just curious what everyone thinks. Does that mean Tillman is not signed?

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It means nothing for them. In 2015 you let Norris and Chen walk that will cover Ervin money.

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It means nothing for them. In 2015 you let Norris and Chen walk that will cover Ervin money.

I bet Norris is traded b4 we get to that point.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sources: Free-agent RHP Ervin Santana considering a change of agents. Currently represented by Bean Stringfellow of Proformance.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

">March 6, 2014</a></blockquote>

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I guess Max was wrong

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sources: Free-agent RHP Ervin Santana considering a change of agents. Currently represented by Bean Stringfellow of Proformance.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="
">March 6, 2014</a></blockquote>

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lol...shocking.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Sources: Free-agent RHP Ervin Santana considering a change of agents. Currently represented by Bean Stringfellow of Proformance.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="
">March 6, 2014</a></blockquote>

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I guess Max was wrong

Sounds like the agent was leaking stuff to Max to try and stir another team into bidding but nothing is coming of it.

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Sounds like the agent was leaking stuff to Max to try and stir another team into bidding but nothing is coming of it.

Game of cat and mouse. Ervin could be telling his agent to get him a guaranteed fourth year or he is gone. Ervin has got to be frustrated at this point.

Nolasco

Garza

Ubaldo

Ervin May just wait it out...

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Well, it doesn't sound like Ervin is as "cool, calm, and collected" about all this as is friends were quoted as saying earlier today. Honestly, though it seems unlikely, this could be a ploy. Discerning the truth from amidst the propaganda spread by agents, Gms, and "sources" is an exercise in futility...albeit an entertaining one. For me at least.

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I wonder what Santana is doing to prepare for this season. What's his training routine? How far behind will he be, if at all, once he signs with a team?

Santana's ERA+ have been 91, 106, 79, 127, 87, 102, 111, 74, and 127 since he first broke into the big leagues. He has not been consistently good...or even average.

How much is an innings-eater with wild performance fluctuations, a preexisting arm injury, and a delayed start to the season actually worth? I wouldn't give him 3/36, at any rate.

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I wonder what Santana is doing to prepare for this season. What's his training routine? How far behind will he be, if at all, once he signs with a team?

Santana's ERA+ have been 91, 106, 79, 127, 87, 102, 111, 74, and 127 since he first broke into the big leagues. He has not been consistently good...or even average.

How much is an innings-eater with wild performance fluctuations, a preexisting arm injury, and a delayed start to the season actually worth? I wouldn't give him 3/36, at any rate.

I don't really think the delay is a big deal as long as he's been throwing on his own. Louse didn't sign until 3/25 last year and was fine.

As for the elbow, dr. Andrews says it is fully healed so who knows.

If you sign him, you obviously are hoping he replicates his good seasons and not the bad. He radically altered his pitch choices in 2013 to great affect. Just have to hope he continues that.

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I don't really think the delay is a big deal as long as he's been throwing on his own. Louse didn't sign until 3/25 last year and was fine.

As for the elbow, dr. Andrews says it is fully healed so who knows.

If you sign him, you obviously are hoping he replicates his good seasons and not the bad. He radically altered his pitch choices in 2013 to great affect. Just have to hope he continues that.

Isn't it unusual for a ligament tear to heal without surgery? I'd be interested to hear (specifically) what Dr. Andrews said about his elbow.

It does seem like he changed something last year, but I'm not sure the effect was out of line with his career performances to date. His FIPs over the course of his career have been 4.43, 4.29, 5.13, 3.30, 5.02, 4.28, 4.00, 5.63, and 3.93 (last year).

So...he had his best year in 2008 with a 127 ERA+ and a FIP to match (3.30). Last year his posted another solid ERA, but his FIP suggests that his 2013 wasn't nearly as good as his 2008.

Bottom line, he's only had one outstanding season, and that was before he hurt his arm. Other than that, he's been an average to below average pitcher in re: expected performance who's also experienced some wild fluctuations in actual output. IMO, he's not nearly as valuable as Jimenez...so, what's Santana worth?

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