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37 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm fine with market pressures forcing a change.

Given the play on the field under current ownership they should just go with the Generals.

 

Too soon.  Too soon.

If they don’t do a Prince-like symbol, they should look into:

D.C Lakers -  No lakes in L.A.  No lakes in D.C.

D.C. Jazz -  Makes more sense than Utah being the hometown of Duke Ellington

D.C. Patriots - why should New England have a monopoly on loving America

Washington SuperSonics - eat it, Seattle.

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On 7/4/2020 at 7:37 PM, backwardsk said:

The Cleveland Indians are explaining a name change as well.

Where does this nonsense stop, the Braves next, the Warriors, the Patriots, the Raiders. the Vikings, the Raptors, the Predators, the Chiefs, the Blackhawks?

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4 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Where does this nonsense stop, the Braves next, the Warriors, the Patriots, the Raiders. the Vikings, the Raptors, the Predators, the Chiefs, the Blackhawks?

Maybe you could request the moderators to change your user name. That would be a start. 

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On 7/3/2020 at 8:59 PM, Can_of_corn said:

I'll repeat the same argument I made years ago.

The Fighting Irish.

Pejorative term about an ethnic group.

 

Just last year they held a baseball tournament called the "Hillbilly classic"

https://www.wdtv.com/content/sports/Bridgeport-Wins-Nightcap-of-Hillbilly-Classic-4-3-511338172.html

The Arkansas Travelers have this lovely ethnic stereotype as a mascot.

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Is the "Fighting Irish" really derogatory? I think you are stretching on that one.  Seems that it came from the third president of the University of Notre Dame who fought in the Civil War in the Irish brigade.  

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Wouldn’t be surprised if this leads to an ownership change, especially if the season doesn’t get off the ground.  The three non-family minority owners want to sell.  Snyder’s wealth is mostly tied to the team.  I could see Bezos making a move.

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10 hours ago, backwardsk said:

Wouldn’t be surprised if this leads to an ownership change, especially if the season doesn’t get off the ground.  The three non-family minority owners want to sell.  Snyder’s wealth is mostly tied to the team.  I could see Bezos making a move.

Those minority owners only own 35% of the team.

Dont blame them for wanting to sell, given the nature of society right now, not sure, I would want to own any professional sports team in any sport.

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21 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'm all for it.  Just hoping they don't come up with something lame.  

It's Snyder.

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On 7/3/2020 at 5:59 PM, Can_of_corn said:

I'll repeat the same argument I made years ago.

The Fighting Irish.

Pejorative term about an ethnic group.

 

Just last year they held a baseball tournament called the "Hillbilly classic"

https://www.wdtv.com/content/sports/Bridgeport-Wins-Nightcap-of-Hillbilly-Classic-4-3-511338172.html

The Arkansas Travelers have this lovely ethnic stereotype as a mascot.

BtqYmKNIcAAq0Sp.jpg

American society's relationship with Native Americans and its use of their culture is a distinct issue.  It's akin to why no team in the Bundesliga is named the "Shofars": namely the Soviet and American armies. Instead of getting executed for international war crimes, our perpetrators of genocide got memorialized and their victims got made into mascots.

In a broader sense, racial/ethnic/religious /socioeconomic based humor is now dead...the Trevelers, Celtics,  and organizers of the Hillbilly Classic just haven't gotten the memo yet. I say that with a bit of wistful sadness. I have heartily laughed at and made (bad ones) such jokes. But humans being what they are, those types of jokes are always tainted by the inequities of power. And that is corrosive. Someone is always being laughed at in such jokes....not laughed with. You can argue that is a core element of humor (and I would not disagree). I suspect after the first fart joke: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-joke-odd/worlds-oldest-joke-traced-back-to-1900-bc-idUSKUA14785120080801 the second joke was about someone being different.

But, I think,  we can evolve to be better. Sammy Davis Jr. had to do a routine every night in Vegas with his "friends" Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra where a chunk of the jokes were about Sammy being black. Most of those jokes were only "funny" because America was racist...and the joke was that Sammy was nevertheless allowed to be on stage with them.

There is, of course, lots of nuanced ambiguity. But mascots, team names, and theme nights, are probably poor places to have fun with that ambiguity.

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27 minutes ago, Chavez Ravine said:

American society's relationship with Native Americans and its use of their culture is a distinct issue.  It's akin to why no team in the Bundesliga is named the "Shofars": namely the Soviet and American armies. Instead of getting executed for international war crimes, our perpetrators of genocide got memorialized and their victims got made into mascots.

In a broader sense, racial/ethnic/religious /socioeconomic based humor is now dead...the Trevelers, Celtics,  and organizers of the Hillbilly Classic just haven't gotten the memo yet. I say that with a bit of wistful sadness. I have heartily laughed at and made (bade ones) such jokes. But humans being what they are, those types of jokes are always tainted by the inequities of power. And that is corrosive. Someone is always being laughed at in such jokes....not laughed with. You can argue that is a core element of humor (and I would not disagree). I suspect after the first fart joke: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-joke-odd/worlds-oldest-joke-traced-back-to-1900-bc-idUSKUA14785120080801 the second joke was about someone being different.

But, I think,  we can evolve to be better. Sammy Davis Jr. had to do a routine every night in Vegas with his "friends" Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra where a chunk of the jokes were about Sammy being black. Most of those jokes were only "funny" because America was racist...and the joke was that Sammy was nevertheless allowed to be on stage with them.

There is, of course, lots of nuanced ambiguity. But mascots, team names, and theme nights, are probably poor places to have fun with that ambiguity.

I recently watched a few:of the Dean Martin roasts. They were terribly racist.  

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On 7/3/2020 at 9:06 PM, backwardsk said:

Too soon.  Too soon.

If they don’t do a Prince-like symbol, they should look into:

D.C Lakers -  No lakes in L.A.  No lakes in D.C.

D.C. Jazz -  Makes more sense than Utah being the hometown of Duke Ellington

D.C. Patriots - why should New England have a monopoly on loving America

Washington SuperSonics - eat it, Seattle.

Boston are had many key events in American Revolutionary war so I Think the deserve to use the name patriots.  All I can remember about DC is them deserting the city and  letting the British burn it to the ground during war of 1812.  

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On 7/6/2020 at 2:23 PM, atomic said:

Is the "Fighting Irish" really derogatory? I think you are stretching on that one.  Seems that it came from the third president of the University of Notre Dame who fought in the Civil War in the Irish brigade.  

Is "Paddy Wagon" racist? Was the bottle of whisky at the violent, drunken Leprechaun's foot (since removed) racist. Were the sub-human, monkey man cartoon depictions of Irish people in newspapers across the country racist?

Here's a good example from: https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/art-and-design/apes-psychos-alcos-how-british-cartoonists-depict-the-irish-1.3149409

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The Punch cartoon that depicted the Young Ireland Party as a gorilla

The Punch cartoon that depicted the Young Ireland Party as a gorilla

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The Irish and the Black are compared as equally problematic to the North and the South respectively.  Notice how both are drawn to look less human:

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In this cartoon, captioned “A King of -Shanty,” the comparison becomes explicit. The “Ashantee” were a well known African tribe; “shanty” was the Irish word for a shack or poor man’s house. The cartoon mocks Irish poverty, caricatures irish people as ape like and primitive, and suggests they are little different from Africans, who the cartoonists seems to see the same way. This cartroon irishman has, again, the outhrust mouth, sloping forehead, and flat wide nose of the standard Irish caricature.

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 The Irish were the bestial savages. As these cartoons show, the Irish were portrayed as low-browed, wire-haired simians, More ape than man. The lead picture (above) was published in American magazine, Harper’s Weekly. The Irish were the negroes, a lesser strain of humanity.

Source: https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

English-Americans said of the Irish, "An Irish person is just a [defamatory slur for black people] turned inside out."

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